Can a no-license person carry a gun with me?

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Quick question. You've heard that before lol. Anyways, is it okay if while hunting with a friend who does not have a gun or hunting license, he carries one of my firearms for me? I'm wondering because when I go out shooting for fun with my friends who don't have their license, I know that they can participate as long as they are under my supervision. But if we're out hunting can they carry a gun if they aren't going to be doing the shooting?
 
Most DNR officers will charge the person with hunting without a license. Look at it from their point of view. Why is they person carrying a firearm in the woods during hunting season if they're not hunting? I believe the onus would be on the gun carrier to prove they aren't hunting without a license, not on the DNR officer to prove they are.

If the person has a valid hunting license, they can carry one of your guns, but only if you two remain close enough together for you to be considered to have control over that person's actions with the firearm.
 
In order to avoid grief ( which seems to be the primary purpose of most of our gun legislation ) I'd say no for 2 reasons.

The first would be as mentioned above, you'd most likely be accused of hunting without a license. The second would be that with 2 guns out you're no longer ' supervising ' your friend/guest.

Yes, it's B.S. but have no doubt that that's the way it works.
 
Wasn't the exact same question here very recently? Not that it matters. When hunting, no hunting licence, no firearm, period.
 
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Yeah, I brought it up a couple of weeks ago. However my question regarded just having someone come with you to watch...not even carry anything...and the response I got back from the MNR basically said depending on what CO you came across that day, you could get charged just for being there. You would most certainly be charged if you were carrying a firearm.
 
Hunting regs aside, I see no reason why this would be bad. How are they supposed to learn carry techniques? You can't teach somebody by doing it for them. You carrying 2 guns doesn't help them to learn how to handle a gun in the field.
 
In quebec you can have an ''apprentice" hunting license.

You don't need a course or anything. you just show up and ask for your apprentice license and you are good to go as long the apprentice is supervised. It is good only for one year and you can't renew it after.

Maybe bc has something similar?
 
This is from the BC regs.
SO, YOU WANT TO HUNT. GREAT IDEA!
British Columbia boasts a greater variety of
game species than anywhere else in Canada
and many of our opportunities are world class.
Hunting is a popular and healthy recreational
activity for many in the province.
Some upcoming changes to the hunting
licensing program will make it easier and more
affordable to start hunting in BC. These changes
will give youth and other new hunters an
opportunity to find out if they enjoy hunting,
and to begin the social and participatory
process of actually becoming a hunter, before
requiring them to go through the time and
monetary commitment of taking hunter
safety training - the Conservation Outdoor
Recreation Education (CORE) course.
HUNTING LICENCE FOR YOUTH
The $7.00 junior licence currently available
for youth aged 10 - 13 will be expanded
soon to include youth aged 14 - 17 and will
be renamed a “youth licence”. This change
will provide youth with the opportunity to
try hunting without the requirement to take
CORE. An acknowledgement of responsibility
signed by a parent or guardian is still required
for all youth under 18 years of age. The youth
licence is issued on behalf of the youth, but
held by the parent or guardian. As always,
any youth who wants to take CORE and get
their own regular hunting licence and bag limit
entitlement can still do so. All youth under
18 years of age must be accompanied by an
experienced supervising hunter.
INITIATION HUNTING LICENCE
A new initiation hunting licence is planned to
be introduced in the near future. This new
licence will allow a person 18 years or older
who has never previously held a hunting licence
in B.C. to try hunting for a period of time.
It is
a one-time-only licence and requires that the
person be accompanied by an experienced
supervising hunter. The cost of the initiation
licence is still under review.
ACCOMPANYING HUNTERS ARE MENTORS
Both a youth licensed hunter and an
initiation licensed hunter are required to be
accompanied by an adult licensed hunter. An
accompanying hunter must be a BC resident
hunter 18 years of age or older who meets
certain qualifications. Persons hunting under
the youth licence or initiation licence will not
have their own bag limit. Any wildlife killed
by a youth hunter or initiation hunter will be
included in the bag limit of the accompanying
hunter. A maximum number may be set for
either youth or initiation hunters, or both, that
may be accompanied at the same time by one
mentor hunter. These proposed requirements
for an accompanying hunter will be slightly
more stringent than previously, however
they aim to improve safety, facilitate an ideal
learning environment, improve the chances of
a successful hunt, and attract more seasoned
hunters to mentor the new hunters.
They are
not intended to create barriers for participants.
Numerous studies have shown that it takes
a hunter to make a hunter. Most people that
become hunters do so under the tutelage of
an older relative, usually their father or mother,
grandfather or grandmother, or uncle or aunt.
Those that come to hunting outside of a family
setting usually do so in a manner that simulates
the same path, such as befriending a hunter
and becoming their protégé. People that are
new to hunting need mentors and advice on
how to safely pursue their new interest. Simply
going hunting does not make an individual see
themselves as a hunter. Becoming a hunter is a
protracted learning and social process.
Advice on where to hunt and how to hunt
can be difficult to obtain. New hunters need
advice on where to hunt both in a general
geographic sense and in the sense of being
shown what type of habitat and terrain they
should investigate for the species they seek.
The actual techniques of hunting must also be
learned. Fundamentals of firearms care and use,
wilderness survival and orienteering, hunting
ethics, basic equipment, first aid and care of
game meat must be understood in addition
to the various techniques for stalking game.
These matters are covered in mandatory hunter
education courses (e.g. CORE), but further study,
especially under field conditions, is necessary in
order to truly become a hunter. Generally, the
acquisition of such skills requires a mentor.
The new initiative related to the licensing of
youth and new hunters, including requirements
for the accompanying hunter, are still being
finalized. The changes aim to increase
recreational opportunities for you and others
to hunt in BC, to keep hunting affordable for
families and to increase hunter recruitment and
retention.
The new licences are expected to be available
by April 1, 2013. Please check the Ministry
website for updates
www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/news/
 
I believe he has to have a hunting licence or it would be considered poaching.

It's only poaching if they think that's what your doing. By staying calm saying hello officer how is it going today and being nice about it they might give you a warning or say have fun. As long as he isn't the one shooting it should be fine make sure that firearm isn't loaded because if it is loaded then they might have a problem with it. You can go walking through the bush out of season with a rifle or shotgun and if the officer doesn't think your poaching your fine if they think that's what your doing you get into trouble the burden of proof is on you not the officer.

I asked 1 officer how does he figure out who is poaching and who isn't. He said if they're in Camo they're poachers if they're in normal hiking stuff red, blue that sort of things they're hiking with a firearm. Also when they ask questions they tend to find out. I asked because I told him I hike and travel in the bush with a rifle or shotgun all the time and I don't hunt and never have. I've shot pests animals on a farm and some cows for steaks but that was it. It's not easy shooting a cow you raised from birth and it comes to get a meal from you and you shoot it in the head.
 
Quick question. You've heard that before lol. Anyways, is it okay if while hunting with a friend who does not have a gun or hunting license, he carries one of my firearms for me? I'm wondering because when I go out shooting for fun with my friends who don't have their license, I know that they can participate as long as they are under my supervision. But if we're out hunting can they carry a gun if they aren't going to be doing the shooting?

If he does not have a firearms license he needs to be in direct and immediate supervision to be in possession. The question would be do you think you can do this while hunting, and, if seen by police or a game warden would they think you you are in direct and immediate supervision. As far as having a firearm without a hunting license you would need to follow your provincial regulations on this but the fact you friend does not have a PAL certainly complicates the issue.

Personally I would not want to be responsible for a friend being charged with an offense due to my lack of understanding, or misinterpretation of a law. In my opinion it would be better to just take one gun.
 
1 firearm and 2 or more people usually no problem. 2 or more firearm and they're holding it for you, then you're venturing into a grey zone.
Even with only 1 firearm, the person will need to be near you and not appear as though they're assisting in any hunting activity.

I also intend on bring my firearm when camping out in the woods but I will probably bring only 1 firearm and will be supervising them all the time. Hope this helps.
 
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