Can americans hunt gophers in Canada without a PAL?

LarryG

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From what I can gather, an American who would be gopher hunting beside me and shooting under my supervision would need a permit to "borrow" the gun from me. However shooting pests is not one of the options you can choose when filling out the permit.

here is the form for permit CAFC715

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/num-nom/715-eng.htm

Has anyone else run into this? This is going to kill the plan for my friends to join me this year, since they don't have PALs yet.

Comments?
 
For a foreigner to hunt in BC a non-residents' hunting license is required. Getting the license requires going to a service BC location to fill out the form and pay money. Holder of said license can hunt small game without accompanied guide.

Maybe getting a small game hunting license for foreigner is this straight forward in Alberta aswell?
 
Gophers are not a game animal and there is no controlled season to shoot them. They are a pest. Your concern is not a wildlife question but rather a legal/shooting concern.
 
Non resident

Have your friend enter Canada without any firearms, then procceed to issueing license store an purchase a non- resident hunting license. Less hassle, no agravation( temporary import costs for firearms) lend him your firearms an your good to go.
 
This may help....

Licensing and Registration Requirements

Firearm owner and users in Canada need a valid firearms licence allowing them to possess firearms and a Canadian registration certificate for each firearm in their possession. A licence issued under Canada’s Firearms Act is different from a provincial hunting licence.

Non-residents have two options for meeting the Canadian licensing and registration requirements:

Option 1

Declare firearms in writing, in triplicate, using the Non-Resident Firearm Declaration (form CAFC 909).

If there are more than three firearms, a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration Continuation Sheet (form CAFC 910) should be added.

Once the declaration has been confirmed by the CBSA customs officer, it acts as a licence for the owner and as a temporary registration certificate for the firearms brought to Canada; and it is valid for 60 days. The declaration can be renewed for free, providing it is renewed before it expires, by contacting the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) (call 1-800-731-4000) of the relevant province or territory.

A confirmed declaration costs a flat fee of $25, regardless of the number of firearms listed on it. It is valid only for the person who signs it and only for those firearms listed on the declaration.

Option 2

Apply for a five-year Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) and register the firearms in Canada. The PAL must be issued before the firearms can be registered.

To apply for a PAL, applicants must provide evidence that they have passed the written and practical tests for the Canadian Firearms Safety Course. If they wish to be licensed for restricted firearms, they must also have passed the tests for the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course. A course from another country does not meet Canadian legal requirements. However, the tests can be taken without taking the courses.

The CFO of the province or territory that will be visited can provide information on any other documents that will be required to complete the background security check.

Once a PAL is obtained, an application to register firearms can be submitted either online at no cost or by mail after completing a paper application (CAFC 998). Some firearms must be verified by an approved verifier before they are registered. Call 1-800-731-4000 (Canada and the U.S.) or (506) 624-5380 (outside Canada and the U.S.) for help in verifying firearms.

With a valid licence and registration certificate, there is no need to complete the Non-Resident Firearms Declaration or pay a fee. However, an oral declaration must still be made to the customs officer.

For Firearms Borrowed in Canada

No licence is required if the firearms user remains under the direct and immediate supervision of a licensed adult.

Otherwise, you need one of the following:
• a valid PAL (see Option 2), or
• a valid Temporary Firearms Borrowing Licence (for Non-residents) (form 715).
NOTE: a confirmed Non-Resident Firearms Declaration does not currently permit the borrowing of firearms in Canada.

A temporary borrowing licence permits the borrowing of Non-restricted firearms only, and only for one of the following purposes:
•hunting under the supervision of an outfitter or other person authorized to organize hunting services in Canada;
•hunting with a Canadian resident who has the proper firearms licence and hunting licence;
•competing in a shooting competition;
•target shooting at an approved shooting club or range;
•taking part in an historical re-enactment or display;
•engaging in a business or scientific activity being carried out in a remote area where firearms are needed to control animal predators;
•taking part in a parade, pageant or other similar event; or
•using firearms for movie, television, video or theatrical productions or publishing activities.
 
If you do not need hunting licence for gophers then you're friend can borrow a gun from you without licence, based on the above.

I have done it numerous times with US guys coming up duck hunting with me.

The key to it is.... "under the direct and immediate supervision of a licensed adult".
 
I want to thank all who replied. The information posted really helped me out. The American guys called the border and CFC and got a very different story and were ready to cancel the trip. Now, I've got to find out where the gophers are this year. Don't seem to be too good in SW Sask.
Cheers
 
The key to it is.... "under the direct and immediate supervision of a licensed adult".

And the interpretation of that phrase does vary. It is being taught in many of the firearms safety courses as being "within arms reach", which is quite restrictive.
 
I want to thank all who replied. The information posted really helped me out. The American guys called the border and CFC and got a very different story and were ready to cancel the trip. Now, I've got to find out where the gophers are this year. Don't seem to be too good in SW Sask.
Cheers


You'll find the golfers on the fairways.......oh wait, you said gophers....never mind. Besides you would probably get someone mad at you if you started shooting golfers.....;)
 
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