Can an ATRS MS still be sold?

The FRT is a catalogue. It is not law. Classifications in it reflect the decisions of the powers that be. Can the MS be sold? Of course. Can the MS be sold legally? You decide. The manufacturer isn't making or selling them. Up to you.
 
I got an infraction for selling a MS with Colt Canada SA20 furniture back in 2020 because of that, I keep the rifle. I tried to explain to Moderator then he just gave me another infraction for complaining, Lol.
 
The only reason the manufacturer isn't selling them is they had a big issue with the Alb CFO (former). They asked for all customer information for any rifles sold and they decided to fight that and their legal team likely advised them to not manufacture or sell until resolved. CFO was changed and the issue was seemingly dropped from their side, but the court case remains active and they are waiting on evidence for arguing against it.

The frt is not legally binding as determined by the OIC challenges. It is a pseudo legal tool to explain their determination with zero evidence or way to appeal results, created by a self proclaimed expert and maintained and added to by his personally trained minions.

A group of people in the Mirimachi and Ottawa think it is prohib by frt, legislatively it is not illegal to sell or purchase, NR laws apply for shipping and transport pending characteristics.
 
The question is whether the "evergreen" prohibited determination is legally valid. Pending a court case, it is a matter of opinion.
 
KND said:
I got an infraction for selling a MS with Colt Canada SA20 furniture back in 2020 because of that, I keep the rifle. I tried to explain to Moderator then he just gave me another infraction for complaining, Lol.
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there are 4 MS on the EE right now......

I believe admin has changed their minds.
 
Bratwurst said:
Yes.

They are prohib under the FRT only andnot under law.

It's been >4 years and no one has had an issue owning, selling or using them
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just because nobody has been caught doesn't make it legal.

if you sell this gun to an undercover cop you will be in jail and the rifle will be gone. and after $10'000's in lawyer fees you may or may not get off.

if you sell it to bob down the street nobody will ever know.
 
FluffyFM said:
Nobody has been caught because the FRT is not the law, it's as simple as that.
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No. Wrong. The FRT is not law. The classifications in the FRT reflect the law, OIC and determinations made by the powers that be. The FRT is simply a catalogue, and apart from making announcements, it is legally irrelevant.
 
tiriaq said:
Strange. I had a look and could not find a second infraction.
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I could not find that as well. It was like when I got the first infraction then I tried to PM him and explained that it must be a misunderstanding or something like that but he never got back to me, I sent a few more PMs then again, I never got any reply. I was kinda angry a bit, so I sent another PM in a bit of angry manner to demand for at least some explanations then I finally got another infraction for the language. The most I used is WTH or something similar.
 
tiriaq said:
No. Wrong. The FRT is not law. The classifications in the FRT reflect the law, OIC and determinations made by the powers that be. The FRT is simply a catalogue, and apart from making announcements, it is legally irrelevant.
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Well considering the MS is prohib in the FRT I'd say the FRT does not reflect the law.
 
Bfranklin said:
Well considering the MS is prohib in the FRT I'd say the FRT does not reflect the law.
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If you look at the various entries in the FRT, there is a reference made to why a firearm is classified the way it is. Frequently, reference is made to legislation. Say in the case of a machinegun. In that case it exactly reflects the law.
You see posts here all the time that something is prohibited because it is in the FRT. That is simply wrong. It is the same as saying that it is raining because a weather report says it is. The FRT only reports a classification decision that has been made. Firearms were classified prior to the creation of the FRT. The FRT brings information together in one place.
As far as buying and selling the MS - folks are free to make a decision, knowing that the CFP lists the thing as prohibited. There might or mightnot be consequences. If the current government stays in power, the likelihood of there being consequences increases.
 
tiriaq said:
If you look at the various entries in the FRT, there is a reference made to why a firearm is classified the way it is. Frequently, reference is made to legislation. Say in the case of a machinegun. In that case it exactly reflects the law.
You see posts here all the time that something is prohibited because it is in the FRT. That is simply wrong. It is the same as saying that it is raining because a weather report says it is. The FRT only reports a classification decision that has been made. Firearms were classified prior to the creation of the FRT. The FRT brings information together in one place.
As far as buying and selling the MS - folks are free to make a decision, knowing that the CFP lists the thing as prohibited. There might or mightnot be consequences. If the current government stays in power, the likelihood of there being consequences increases.
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I agree.

Classification decisions "should" be based on law. The law defines what a particular firearms classification will be. Unfortunately the authoritarians ruling this country have given the statist law enforcement a looong leash to classify firearms based on looks as opposed to function under definition of law.
 
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