Can anyone help with info on this rifle?

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Hello everyone,
I have this old rifle. Its an Ernst Stiegleder with original skopar 5 scope and Buffalo horn trigger guard. Unfortunately that's all I know. I was told that it was chambered in 8x57 but the marking 7,6 has me wondering. 8x57 fits and the bolt face is a standard mauser bolt face. If anything please enjoy pictures of my unique rifle! image0000031.jpgimage0000001(6).jpgimage0000061(1).jpg20250127_072208.jpgimage0000081(1).jpgimage0000051(1).jpgimage0000001(7).jpgimage0000011(2).jpgimage0000021(1).jpg
 

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I believe the "7.6mm" is referring to the minor diameter of the bore.

You may want to "slug" the bore on that barrel, there's a good possibility it's meant to shoot .318 inch diameter bullets.

Most of the original stamps on the receiver have been scrubbed and the receiver had to be heated to soften it to engrave, from what I've read. Those don't appear to be "scrolled" or stamped decorations, like those on the barrel.

If they are scrolled, I believe it would have had to be done in the factory before final heat treating. Please, someone with more knowledge on this jump in.

Hard to say when it was built from the photos, but there are people on this site who know what to look for. I'm presuming "post" WWI,

Those "claw" mounts are dreams when they're snug enough to retain zero, withing reasonable parameters.

I have a similar rifle, chambered for the 6.5x57 Mauser round, with almost identical bases and rings, but a modern scope and double set triggers.

When the scope is removed for travel, then reattached for shooting and checked for zero, the POI is consistently within 2 moa of POI at 100yds, which is fine for most hunting purposes I shoot. When the scope is left in place and zeroed, it shoots consistent 1.5 moa groups. I've never shot anything other than factory loads in this rifle and only use it where shots will be less than 200 yds.
 
bearhunter said:
I believe the "7.6mm" is referring to the minor diameter of the bore.

You may want to "slug" the bore on that barrel, there's a good possibility it's meant to shoot .318 inch diameter bullets.

Most of the original stamps on the receiver have been scrubbed and the receiver had to be heated to soften it to engrave, from what I've read. Those don't appear to be "scrolled" or stamped decorations, like those on the barrel.

If they are scrolled, I believe it would have had to be done in the factory before final heat treating. Please, someone with more knowledge on this jump in.

Hard to say when it was built from the photos, but there are people on this site who know what to look for. I'm presuming "post" WWI,

Those "claw" mounts are dreams when they're snug enough to retain zero, withing reasonable parameters.

I have a similar rifle, chambered for the 6.5x57 Mauser round, with almost identical bases and rings, but a modern scope and double set triggers.

When the scope is removed for travel, then reattached for shooting and checked for zero, the POI is consistently within 2 moa of POI at 100yds, which is fine for most hunting purposes I shoot. When the scope is left in place and zeroed, it shoots consistent 1.5 moa groups. I've never shot anything other than factory loads in this rifle and only use it where shots will be less than 200 yds.
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Thank you that was very helpful! The claw mounts and scope hold accuracy reasonably well, and I am happy with them
 
bearhunter said:
I believe the "7.6mm" is referring to the minor diameter of the bore.

You may want to "slug" the bore on that barrel, there's a good possibility it's meant to shoot .318 inch diameter bullets.

Most of the original stamps on the receiver have been scrubbed and the receiver had to be heated to soften it to engrave, from what I've read. Those don't appear to be "scrolled" or stamped decorations, like those on the barrel.

If they are scrolled, I believe it would have had to be done in the factory before final heat treating. Please, someone with more knowledge on this jump in.

Hard to say when it was built from the photos, but there are people on this site who know what to look for. I'm presuming "post" WWI,

Those "claw" mounts are dreams when they're snug enough to retain zero, withing reasonable parameters.

I have a similar rifle, chambered for the 6.5x57 Mauser round, with almost identical bases and rings, but a modern scope and double set triggers.

When the scope is removed for travel, then reattached for shooting and checked for zero, the POI is consistently within 2 moa of POI at 100yds, which is fine for most hunting purposes I shoot. When the scope is left in place and zeroed, it shoots consistent 1.5 moa groups. I've never shot anything other than factory loads in this rifle and only use it where shots will be less than 200 yds.
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Any idea on value? Thank you
 
The problem with such rifles at this point is there are a lot of them available.

Intersurplus often has them, some with period scopes and some never having provisions for scopes.

Your rifle is a bit more high end than most, but nothing really special, other than it appears to be well taken care of.

The period scope is where most of the value is, so depending on the mood at the time anywhere from $600-$900

There will be naysayers, but likely they won't be making any offers to purchase.

I'm surprised you asked about the chambering, and now mention the scope holds zero after being reattached. Obviously, you've shot this rifle to verify???

What ammo did you shoot, commercial or surplus. If surplus, did you clean the bore accordingly for corrosive?????????

If not, and the surplus is corrosive, which much of it is, after a few days to a week the bore will no longer be shiny and bright and may never be again.

If you shot North American commercial, the loads will be on the light side in deferrence to those that insist on shooting .323 diameter bullets through .318 diameter bores.
 
bearhunter said:
The problem with such rifles at this point is there are a lot of them available.

Intersurplus often has them, some with period scopes and some never having provisions for scopes.

Your rifle is a bit more high end than most, but nothing really special, other than it appears to be well taken care of.

The period scope is where most of the value is, so depending on the mood at the time anywhere from $600-$900

There will be naysayers, but likely they won't be making any offers to purchase.

I'm surprised you asked about the chambering, and now mention the scope holds zero after being reattached. Obviously, you've shot this rifle to verify???

What ammo did you shoot, commercial or surplus. If surplus, did you clean the bore accordingly for corrosive?????????

If not, and the surplus is corrosive, which much of it is, after a few days to a week the bore will no longer be shiny and bright and may never be again.

If you shot North American commercial, the loads will be on the light side in deferrence to those that insist on shooting .323 diameter bullets through .318 diameter bores.
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You are right. I am going according to the boresight I have which has proven accurate, i should have mentioned that, but it holds zero very well. I do have bullets and dies for .318 but I'm not sure if I'll try them out yet
 
Pascal999 said:
You are right. I am going according to the boresight I have which has proven accurate, i should have mentioned that, but it holds zero very well. I do have bullets and dies for .318 but I'm not sure if I'll try them out yet
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I don't know what you find to be "acceptable'' accuracy, but bore sighting is good for getting the bullets on an 8"x11" target at 100yds for the most part.
 
The 7.6mm marking makes me think it may have been chambered in 8.15x46R, what it is chambered in now and what the twist is are questions I have. If rechambered to 8x57, the bore may be very tight as in 311/12 bullets for the 303 Britiah may be best.
 
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Any chance it is .30-06?
You could try chambering 8x57, .30-06 cartridge cases (empties).
Maybe slugging the bore and making a chamber cast would be a good idea.
 
MiG25 said:
The 7.6mm marking makes me think it may have been chambered in 8.15x46R, what it is chambered in now and what the twist is are questions I have. If rechambered to 8x57, the bore may be very tight as in 311/12 bullets for the 303 Britiah may be best.
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That's good to know, thank you. I will have the bore slugged before I do anything but buying .303 bullets seems easy enough
 
Pascal999 said:
Hello everyone,
I have this old rifle. Its an Ernst Stiegleder with original skopar 5 scope and Buffalo horn trigger guard. Unfortunately that's all I know. I was told that it was chambered in 8x57 but the marking 7,6 has me wondering. 8x57 fits and the bolt face is a standard mauser bolt face. If anything please enjoy pictures of my unique rifle! View attachment 892952View attachment 892949View attachment 892948View attachment 892953View attachment 892954View attachment 892947View attachment 892946View attachment 892956View attachment 892957
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The mounts are Suhler Einhakmontage
 
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