Can anyone identify this 22?

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Belgian made barrel(LLH) E over LG in an oval crowned (Belgian proof) JA8C under a crown, T under a star and brevete stamped on the receiver which I think means patented . Any help appricated.
Adam
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Unfortunately the butt stock was broken and repaired many years ago and bubba replaced the sights with modern buck horn sights.
Barrel appears un touched at 22.5". Neat, simple action.
Adam
 
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Huh, I kinda figured with all the knowledge on here, some Gandalf type guru of 22s would have had something to to go on. Well hers a full size pic to help.
Adam
 
Awesome , I'll try that route. Thanks 220. I guess that puts you in the lead for guru position, lol.
Adam
P.s. Had checked out the bsa line before but couldn't find any with an external hammer.
 
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220 said:
BSA made 22 lr targets in that receiver style.
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BSA made Martini-actioned 22's, but a quite different receiver style was used. Both Pieper and Francotte (of Belgium) made Martini-actioned smallbores. Those two manufacturers might be a good place to start looking.
 
Looked at both manufacturers but could not find anything similar to what I have. I’m starting to think that this may have been produced by one of the smaller Belgian companies that have disappeared into history but really I have no idea. I’ll keep trying. Thanks for the help.
Adam
 
The proof mark (crown over oval with E LG star) is Belgian circa 1893 onward for black powder rifles.

So...

Early(ish) black powder .22 made in Belgium, and you might not get much further than that. The Belgians had gunsmiths in every carriage house and attic at that time.

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The proof mark I can’t identity is the JA8C under a crown. Then brevete mark as I understand means it was built under permission of the patent holder, who ever that maybe ie colt brevete
 
archer2u said:
The proof mark I can’t identity is the JA8C under a crown. Then brevete mark as I understand means it was built under permission of the patent holder, who ever that maybe ie colt brevete
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There was so much copying going on in Belgium, it was nearly impossible to track down every manufacturer. The major arms patent holders went by the expedient of having inspectors stationed at the proofing house, looking for guns coming in that were obvious copies of existing patents. When they spotted something, they would inform the Belgian officials, who would notify the manufacturing house, who then would pony up a nominal licensing fee. No fee, no proof stamp (which would make it hard to sell the gun), and no licensee stamp.

The licensing inspectors worked on a commission, getting a % of the license fees they caused to be collected. Good business all around.

I think what you're seeing is "JA & C" - not "JA8C"

So J (possible A) and Company.

Going through the list of identified Belgian manufacturers, here: http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/a%20a%20artisans%20identifies%20gb.htm, I couldn't find a match in the J's, but that doesn't mean much. tons of unidentified craftsmen, and even the known craftsmen, not all their marks are known.

If you have an entire day to kill, you can go through all the marks listed at that site, and you might, or might not find a match.

It truly is staggering, the number of Belgian gun makers at the time. Many of who's names are lost to history now.
 
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So this was produced by Zimmer Schuetzen German and is about the closest I've seen to mine but it's still not a match. Spent to many hours going through the above list coping and pasting manufactures names to google with no luck. Think I'm going to have to just go and enjoy it and wait for someone to revive this thread in the future.
Thanks for all the help, Adam
 
archer2u said:
So this was produced by Zimmer Schuetzen German and is about the closest I've seen to mine but it's still not a match. Spent to many hours going through the above list coping and pasting manufactures names to google with no luck. Think I'm going to have to just go and enjoy it and wait for someone to revive this thread in the future.
Thanks for all the help, Adam
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I feel your pain. I have an old "Bulldog" style revolver made in Belgium that I wanted to track down the original manufacturer. Eventually, I just had to embrace the mystery, which in a way, is kind of part of the charm for it now.
 
could you post a closeup of the top left of the action ? the area to the right of where the proof marks are on the barrel. there seems to be something there in the upside down picture.
 
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Is this the angle your looking for? There's a T under a star( inspectors mark?) ,a T in a circle, and brevete which is basically patent in French I believe.
Adam
Ps let me know if yo need more pics
 
Thank you, it’s a very elegant little firearm and balances very nicely. I have yet to shoot it but I’ll try to get to the range this week and will post an update. I also picked up a 1976 browning bar in 30-06 Thant has yet to be fired by me. So little time and so many projects. Adam
 
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