Can anyone tell me about this 1916 ShtLE III*

[johnnylo]

I am by far not an enfield guy so decided to ask.

This came my way and I am trying to determine the maker and value. It is Canadian marked but I am not sure if the c broad arrow was used in WWI or if that's a WWII stamp I think I have seen one of the other stamps there on WWII Canadian brownings. Everything there matches the serial number except the unmarked mag, not sure if it was serialized or not? There is no mag cut off or volley sights.

Anyone know the maker and what its worth? I think that's a GR under the crown in the photo.

Since its Canadian I may keep it and am currently looking for a stock. Anyone know where to get a nice full stock?

 

[louthepou]

Typically a No1Mk3* sporter with good bore sells for $100 to $150. Bonus points for the C broad arrow though.

 

[greyman441]

That is a Short magazine Lee Enfield No1Mrk3. Yes that is canadian. Cbroad Arrow. It was sporterized but it doesnt look like the barrel has been cut. Good specimen to restore. I dont know a huge amount about the No1's so im sure someone more qualified will step in. Nice rifle overall. Good find.

 

[johnnylo]

I thought it was hard to find matching ones but was never really looking.

 

[greyman441]

It is hard to find a matching one as well as one marked Cbroad arrow. but because its sporterized it brings it into the same catagory as all the other sporterized rifles.

 

[enefgee]

If the barrel isn't cut it's a great candidate for a restoration, all that's needed is to have the proper wood refitted. It would be great if these vets could talk.

 

[Pblatzz]

The wood is sporterized and this can be restored. It's worth restoring because it's Canadian. Typically the sell for $100 to $150 but because of the C broad arrow it's worth more. List it for $150 and it will sell very fast...

Desporterizing it will cost around $300 ish give your patience to get parts.

 

[johnnylo]

Anyone know if the markings put it in both wars?

 

[Hawkshadow]

Great find! A close relative to my No1Mk3 who was BSA born in 1916, and then came to Canada later on. As noted above, right now she's worth about as much as a standard sporter, but she'll dress up nicely.

One question that I have about mine, and it appears that yours has it too is the presence of the BNP marks which I always thought were a British stamp applied to surplussed firearms before being sold to the civilian market... experts?

 

[tiriaq]

You will need a complete set of stocks - the butt has been altered, too - plus all the associated hardware. Worth doing, primarily because of the C/l\.
I do not know how SMLE rifles used by Cdn troops during WWI were marked, vs WW2, and cannot tell you when the Cdn property marks were applied. It could very easily have been used by Canada in both wars, although given that it still has its original barrel, it didn't need a rebuild.

 

[gordonlbyrne]

you can get a complete stock set from numerich gunparts plus all the metal parts you will need. Barrel band,nose cap ,etc

 

[englishman_ca]

Canadian soldiers in WWI were issued Brit smle rifles overseas, the initial Canadian issued Ross rifles were problematic in the mud of the trenches and were quickly replaced. After the WWI, large amounts of used Brit rifles were sent to Canada.

They went through a rebuild program between the wars and were marked at that time with the Canadian property marking (C broad arrow).

Your rifle carries post 1954 Birmingham proof markings so it was sold surplus through the english gun trade.

So by the markings, one scenario could be;

It was sent to Canada post WWI, refurbed and marked with Canadian property mark. It then went over to Europe in early WWII with the Canucks where it was probably switched out for a new No.4, one for one, the old rifle being assimilated into Brit inventory. It was then later surplused after the war out of England.

 

[maxinumarmor]

My 1916 is about 1400 numbers ahead of yours all matching even the stock is numbered same factory.I picked it up for $350.Around July 1915 we traded our Ross rifles for NO1 MK3s.