Can the Hi-Power still hold its own against more "modern" combat/duty pistols?

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Can the Hi-Power still hold its own against more "modern" combat/duty pistols?

The UK is phasing out the Hi Power 9mm pistol in favor of the lighter, less expensive Glock 17.
It makes me wonder about the HP and its place as a duty/combat sidearm for modern forces.
Both the Sig P226 and Glock 17 could be said to be more durable, reliable, and perhaps user friendly.
People have a bone to pick with the magazine disconnect and hammer bite.

It seems like it was a great gun that served many countries well over the years, but could anybody argue arming a police force or military force with new Hi Powers as a good idea any more compared to alternative choices?
 
mr00jimbo said:
The UK is phasing out the Hi Power 9mm pistol in favor of the lighter, less expensive Glock 17.
It makes me wonder about the HP and its place as a duty/combat sidearm for modern forces.
Both the Sig P226 and Glock 17 could be said to be more durable, reliable, and perhaps user friendly.
People have a bone to pick with the magazine disconnect and hammer bite.

It seems like it was a great gun that served many countries well over the years, but could anybody argue arming a police force or military force with new Hi Powers as a good idea any more compared to alternative choices?
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Cheaper to make a Glock. About sums it up when arming 176,000+ people. Save even $100 a gun and you save $17,600,000 when replacing existing stock one gun for one.
 
fenceline said:
Cheaper to make a Glock. About sums it up when arming 176,000+ people. Save even $100 a gun and you save $17,600,000 when replacing existing stock one gun for one.
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I really hope they do the right thing and sell these used HPs into the LE surplus market. The thought of destroying 176000+ lightly used Brownings makes me weep!
 
Buck Futter said:
I really hope they do the right thing and sell these used HPs into the LE surplus market. The thought of destroying 176000+ lightly used Brownings makes me weep!
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They don't have 176,000 soldiers, let alone 176,000 pistols. And if a significant number of those they do have were lightly used they wouldn't be replacing them.

They certainly won't be selling them surplus to private individuals in the U.K. or elsewhere, but if they can find a foreign government that isn't too politically incorrect and is willing to pay they will probably sell them. Failing that, they may look to donate them as foreign aid to a suitable recipient.
 
TheTooner said:
They don't have 176,000 soldiers, let alone 176,000 pistols. And if a significant number of those they do have were lightly used they wouldn't be replacing them.

They certainly won't be selling them surplus to private individuals in the U.K. or elsewhere, but if they can find a foreign government that isn't too politically incorrect and is willing to pay they will probably sell them. Failing that, they may look to donate them as foreign aid to a suitable recipient.
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Oh?

The British Armed Forces is a professional force with a strength in April 2013 of 176,660 regular, 13,760 of which were untrained[46] and 28,670 volunteer reserve personnel[47][N 3]. This gives a combined component strength of 205,330 personnel. In addition there were 181,720 regular reserves[48] from all services of the British Armed Forces. The British Armed Forces constitute the second-largest military in the European Union in terms of professional personnel.
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Glock ............... Hi Power
crappy trigger ... crappy trigger
able to handle ... magazine safety
+p ammo .......... thumb safety
plastic sights

At least you can get a gunsmith to fix a HP trigger

looks like a draw to me
 
If You are buying 25 000 pistols and going to keep them for the years to come, there is no way to beat Glock pricing.
Hi Power is still very good pistol, but Glock has an advantage of simplicity and price.
In terms of reliability...on such a big scale it's hard to assume anything, but I believe that it's not going to improve the odds significantly.
Only thing to consider in terms of reliability is that the pistols currently in service are old and beaten up badly with worn out parts, so going new makes sense.
However new Hi Power vs new Glock?
It's probably going to be a draw for problem free shooting experience.
 
It would be more expensive to maintain a fleet of aging HP then to rearm with Glocks and have 20 yrs of spare parts on hand. Glock pricing on an order that large would be so cheap per unit you would puke on your pappy's lap...
 
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I don't see why not. The glock platform is cheap to buy, more so if the buy thousands at the time. There is nothing wrong with the platform, is durable, reliable and requires almost no maintenance when compared to an all metal pistol. For LE glock is hard to beat for the reasons above and for an excellent track record, not to mention the availabilty of parts, etc etc etc.




enefgee said:
Big time - anyone interested in $150 Glocks?
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Check the finishing line at an IPSC match. Not many HPs there, but plenty of Combat Tupperwear. And it pains me to say this, because I like the HP.
 
Speaking from my experience which is pretty dated. When your in the infantry and you always had your rifle. A pistol would be a secondary weapon to the rifle and anything reliable would due. So yes I think a browning would be as good as any other for this purpose. Back when I was in a hi power would be carried into an exercise with hammer down on an empty chamber.

Which took two hands to get it out and then two hands chamber a round. So if my rifle ####s the bed, I need to frig with my holster to get the gun out and then frig with it to get it loaded under those conditions I do not think it matters what is in the holster too much. I am happy that I served. But I am happier still that I never needed a browning hipower taken from the crap webbing that we used to use.

I believe that if you ever needed your side arm in the infantry I think that it would be better to have it ready sooner than later. For some reason the folks were nervous about cocked in locked. So a double action, or striker fired with a loaded chamber, may be accessible, along with a decent level 3 holster would be better than anything that I used back in the day. If you could carry a cocked and lock browning in a decent holster then that would be fine.

Interesting cocked and locked hi power bad.

Cocked and locked c1 c2 cd c3 c7 c8 c9 50 cal. all good.hi power bad
 
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I shot my HP for the first time yesterday and I would take it any day over a glock. The accuracy was incredible and the trigger was spectacular.
 
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