Can we buy these PPSh replicas?

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Replicas from a U.S. company:

"RUSSIAN PPSH-41 SUBMACHINE GUN
Item#:
FIRUPPSH41
Price/ea:

PRESELLING NOW! ATF APPROVED SEMIAUTOMATIC VERSION OF ONE OF THE MOST RECOGNIZABLE GUNS OF WWII. THE "PAE-PAE-SHAW" OR BURP GUN WAS ONE OF THE BEST SUBMACHINE GUNS EVER MADE AND SAW EXTENSIVE ACTION FROM STALINGRAD TO THE CHOSIN RESEVIOUR. THIS RUGGED GUN IS CHAMBERED IN THE HOT 7.62X25 ROUND AND ACCEPTS STICK AND DRUM MAGAZINES AND HAS HAD THE BARREL AND SHROUD EXTENDED TO 16" LENGTH. THIS ITEM NOW PRESELLING WITH 100 UNIT INITAL RUN WITH DELIVERY 8 WEEKS AFTER PRESALE ENDS. AFTER THAT THE PRICE WILL GO UP TO $###!"

If it was pinned, maybe?
 
the company is NOT interested in exporting ANY to canada I have spoken in detail to them about this firearm


IF you did manage to get one the RCMP would have to test it to see if it passes thier requirements as a semi only and NOT a converted auto

some U.S builds use the original FA recievers reweleded and modded to semi only they would be banned here as they would be non grandfathered converted autos


you risk BIG $$$ Loss as if the rcmp denies them you lose the gun if you can afford to toss that $$ aside for 1 year or permently go fo it!
 
Like Contact mentions, Canada and the US differ on the converted auto issue. ATF consider that once a reciever is "destroyed", than using the remains to build a new reciever = new gun, so long as the origional was destroyed to standard. Canada isn't as conciderate or even handed.

However, if the reciever is new, odds are pretty good that a BATFE approved semi auto design will also be approved in Canada.
 
Call, the CFC, ask to be patched through to a tech. in Ottawa, and ask if there has been a ruling.
 
tiriaq said:
Call, the CFC, ask to be patched through to a tech. in Ottawa, and ask if there has been a ruling.
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Usually thier is only a ruleing IF one has been examined...which means also im ported and the company is not or has just begun shipping
 
Given that I think it fires from an open bolt, much like the Sten, I HIGHLY doubt that the RCMP will be inclined to acquiesce...
 
Claven2 said:
Given that I think it fires from an open bolt, much like the Sten, I HIGHLY doubt that the RCMP will be inclined to acquiesce...
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BATFE have not approved a repeating action open bolt design since 1981. This must fire from a closed bolt.
 
I think this is the Inter-ordinance model. I called the CFC about them some months ago, they told me they would review it and get back to me...yeah...

If they are the IO models, they are total POS's, as can be seen here http://www.cruffler.com/review-November-00.html.

However, MGS is offering new ones now, too. I saw a webpage devoted to the making of these, but I can't find it now. Here's the finished product(http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=FIRUPPSH41), though, if you have 600 USD to spare and don't mind potentially losing it, buy one and send it to the RCMP to evaluate. If you succeed, many canadian gun nuts will love you!
 
To get BATFE approval in the US the firearm CANNOT fire from the open bolt. These versions are closed bolt semi-autos. Open bolt are regulated with the 200 dollar BATFE tax stamp as NFA firearms in the US due to percieved ease in converting to full-auto. No reason these could not be sold here as the only swappable part would be the stock (and that is kinda iffy with the new semi-auto trigger group).
 
Open bolt are regulated with the 200 dollar BATFE tax stamp as NFA firearms in the US due to percieved ease in converting to full-auto.
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Sort of. It's kind of murky.

BATFE has no ability to make the law, they simply interpret and apply the law. Every once and a while, they will be pushed or pulled into making a ruling. More often than not, they live to regret it as much as we do.

There is no law that says open bolt guns are illegal in the US, if they are manufactured as semi auto. There is no law that says new guns must be vetted by BATFE for approval. However, in making some rulings and interpretations of the black letter law, the BATFE have set some benchmarks and standards.

One problem the BATFE have with making a ruling, is often the implications must run both forward and back through time. As they have no legal ability to declare an amnesty, or add new guns to the registry of transferable NFA firearms, they sometimes skirt the law, or flat out ignore it.

Two examples come to mind.

One is the DIAS, or Drop In Auto Sear. For those that don't know, this is an aftermarket device to allow an AR-15 to fire full auto if it's internal parts (hammer, trigger, disconnector, selector) have been replaced with the M-16 versions. Before 1981, unless found in a firearm, this aftermarket part was perfectly legal. Found in a gun that wasn't legally titled as a machine gun, the part and the gun became contraban. BATFE decided that any made before 1981 were exempt from prosecution, and those made afterwords were unregistered MG's in and of themselves.

The second example is the open bolt guns, most notably the MAC-10 SAP, or Semi Auto Pistol. BATFE decided that since grinding off or snipping the sear trip on the MAC was enough to convert it to full auto, that the gun was already a MG, and ordered a stop to production. They did not find that the existing guns were MG's, although that is the logical conclusion of their ruling.

There is no law preventing a new open bolt gun from being sold, but the ATF have set a standard of 8 hours or less time in a machine shop for conversion. Keep in mind there methods of conversion only need to produce a single two round burst, and don't worry about the ability of the gun or operator to survive the attempt.

C3 owners and dreamers in the US keep hoping for and pushing for an amnesty to register these and other guns/parts that are in limbo.
 
its pretty rediculous when you think that in 8 hours in a machine shop i could probably turn a car bumber in a FA machine gun
 
esquif said:
its pretty rediculous when you think that in 8 hours in a machine shop i could probably turn a car bumber in a FA machine gun
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Precisely. With a Lee Enfield and some bar stock, I could probably machine an open bolt conversion to .32acp, sort of like the 1903 springfield peterson.
 
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