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augie15

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Hello folks,


A good buddy of mine has just completed his firearms course as well as Ontario hunting course this past weekend and I have a question. He has purchased his small game tag but of course has to wait nearly forever for his PAL. In the meantime is he allowed to carry and hunt with one of my firearms. Will only be for grouse and rabbits no large game yet. Bascially my question is as follows, if he is walking with me/within eye sight is he allowed to carry one of my .22's and hunt small game with his license. Any clarification is welcome. Having a hard time finding a response.

Edit- * Should be noted that I have been out numerous times with my buddy plus he is a former member of the military so can handle a firearm safely*

Thanks CGN.

Brett
 
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he's allowed to shoot without a PAL as long as he's 'directly supervised' by a person holding a PAL, IIRC.

By that theory, as long as you can see him and can supervise his shooting habits, I read that to mean that you'll all be just fine.
 
He must be under the direct supervision of a person with a PAL. The interpretation of "direct supervision" that I am familiar with, is that the person with the PAL is responsible for the firearm, and therefore he must be close enough to immediately take control of the firearm at all times. Just being in sight doesn't sound like it will meet that condition.
 
augie15 said:
I was thinking that perhaps we can go walking down a trail side by side, one takes left and one takes right. That way I am still within arms reach but can still do our own shooting. Thank goodness the rules are clear as mud.
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Without your friend having a PAL you can't each carry a firearm. One shared between the two of you with direct supervision while he is carrying.

Your friend always has the option of carrying a bow while he waits for his card to come.
 
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Had this same issue arise while goose hunting. Other fellow didn't have a PAL but had all required licenses. We were visited by CO, and OPP and because he was in a layout blind sandwiched between two other PAL holders within arms reach, it was a non issue. Basically wanted to check hunting licenses and make sure we had permission. If you are feeling worried, contact a local Police station, talk to supervisor and get a name. Better yet call the CFC....
 
arcticcathonda said:
Had this same issue arise while goose hunting. Other fellow didn't have a PAL but had all required licenses. We were visited by CO, and OPP and because he was in a layout blind sandwiched between two other PAL holders within arms reach, it was a non issue. Basically wanted to check hunting licenses and make sure we had permission. If you are feeling worried, contact a local Police station, talk to supervisor and get a name. Better yet call the CFC....
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How many firearms did your group have? i.e. was it a shared firearm that the other guy was carrying?
 
Right from the CFC frequently asked question section.............see last para.
Ps: you both can carry....

Q. Can I borrow a firearm that is registered to someone else?

Yes, if the individual has a firearms licence for that class of firearm. When individuals borrow restricted or prohibited firearms, the lender must also lend them the registration certificates so they can provide proof that the firearms are registered.

If individuals are borrowing a restricted or prohibited firearm, and they intend to transport it to another location, they are required to have an Authorization to Transport (ATT) from the Chief Firearms Officer of the province where the firearm is located, for the firearm being borrowed. An ATT is not required if the individual is transporting non-restricted firearms.

In order to obtain an Authorization to Transport a restricted or prohibited firearm, call 1-800-731-4000 or submit form RCMP 5490 to the Chief Firearms Officer.

Individuals who you do not have a firearms licence, or who are not licensed for the class of firearm they wish to borrow, may borrow the firearm only if they are under the direct and immediate supervision of an appropriately licensed adult (aged 18 or older) and there are no court orders prohibiting them from possessing firearms or other weapons.
 
GunnerySgtJackson said:
Right from the CFC frequently asked question section.............see last para.
Ps: you both can carry....

Q. Can I borrow a firearm that is registered to someone else?

Yes, if the individual has a firearms licence for that class of firearm. When individuals borrow restricted or prohibited firearms, the lender must also lend them the registration certificates so they can provide proof that the firearms are registered.

If individuals are borrowing a restricted or prohibited firearm, and they intend to transport it to another location, they are required to have an Authorization to Transport (ATT) from the Chief Firearms Officer of the province where the firearm is located, for the firearm being borrowed. An ATT is not required if the individual is transporting non-restricted firearms.

In order to obtain an Authorization to Transport a restricted or prohibited firearm, call 1-800-731-4000 or submit form RCMP 5490 to the Chief Firearms Officer.

Individuals who you do not have a firearms licence, or who are not licensed for the class of firearm they wish to borrow, may borrow the firearm only if they are under the direct and immediate supervision of an appropriately licensed adult (aged 18 or older) and there are no court orders prohibiting them from possessing firearms or other weapons.
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I take this to mean that you don't need reg. papers if you borrow a bunch of non-restricted from someone outside of Quebec as there are none outside of said province.
 
augie15 said:
I was thinking that perhaps we can go walking down a trail side by side, one takes left and one takes right. That way I am still within arms reach but can still do our own shooting. Thank goodness the rules are clear as mud.
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No, only allowed one gun between the both of you.
 
lyman54 said:
I take this to mean that you don't need reg. papers if you borrow a bunch of non-restricted from someone outside of Quebec as there are none outside of said province.
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Read the last Para.........Individuals who you do not have a firearms licence, or who are not licensed for the class of firearm they wish to borrow, may borrow the firearm only if they are under the direct and immediate supervision of an appropriately licensed adult (aged 18 or older) and there are no court orders prohibiting them from possessing firearms or other weapons.
 
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