''canada in the rough''-Gobal TV
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I've only seen it a couple of times and enjoyed it. I did see the one from Grand Manan Island about the Eider shoot. My problem with that one was it was so rough on the water, I wondered how many ducks did not get retrieved. And for those who have not tried it, salt water hunting for Eiders is about the most fun you can have with a shotgun.bill c68 said:
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This is a quote from another site regarding Thomas Pigeon's visit to the Calgary Sportsman show recently. Firstly I saw the Mulie hunt episode, I don't remember the "Management Buck" statement which (if he made it) is BS but more to the point I wonder if TP would maintain his veiw on the Internet now. Whats your veiw on Blackguns Mr. Pigeon?
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Just finished watching the archery hunt for Mulies in southern Alberta. Not bad! It's gotta' take some 'doing' to get close enough in that type of terrain, especially with the entourage he had.
Johnn Peterson said:
Just caught it too! Man I'd be there in a heartbeat if I had a chance to hunt the coulees/badlands in the first part of the show
I was poking around the Drumheller area a couple years ago. Made me wish I was an Albertan!Johnn Peterson said:
I don't no about those coulee Mulies but I've been with bow range of imature Mulie bucks in the foothills like TP arrowed a few times. They aren't the smartest game animal going which is, in spite of good numbers why they are mostly draw.
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At this point in time, as long as it has 'bone', it's good enough for me.Lazy Ike said:
I'll go for bigger next time.Johnn Peterson said:At this point in time, as long as it has 'bone', it's good enough for me.
Ditto. I hunt backstraps. The little buck I got in WMU 416 this year was so tender you literally could cut the medium rare roasts with a fork.
I have the muley episode on tape. He did refer to his buck as a "management buck", which is definitely at odds with the impression you are left with when you see the intro comments about the "trophy potential" of Alberta for mule deer. If he was hunting for a "management buck" he should have stated that from the outset. And if they were going after a "management buck", why were they stalking that trophy muley bedded down by himself which stood up and got away before they got a shot. Otherwise he should have simply said he was happy with his buck, particularly since any mule deer buck with a bow is a trophy, rather than attempt to write off the lack of antlers as a "management buck", which of course there is no hunt for in Alberta. There definitely were better bucks than the one he shot in that bachelor group which he harvested his buck from.
He took that buck legally and fairly with a bow, and tagged it. It is difficult to get in bow range of an open country muley buck, so he deserves credit for that. The only issue I have is that why tarnish his deer which he should have been proud of, since he chose to harvest the animal, by writing it off as a "management buck". By and large I like the show. Definitely better than some of the American shows, where some of the hunts are definitely canned!
As an aside, I was looking through my old North American Hunting Club magazines a few days ago and in the member pics at the back spotted a pic showing a fellow named Thomas Pigeon from Oakville Ont. with a large bow-killed bear. The fellow had a big stogie in his mouth, but I couldn't tell if it was the same guy as the host of the TV show. It looked a bit like the guy from the show. Anyone know?
He took that buck legally and fairly with a bow, and tagged it. It is difficult to get in bow range of an open country muley buck, so he deserves credit for that. The only issue I have is that why tarnish his deer which he should have been proud of, since he chose to harvest the animal, by writing it off as a "management buck". By and large I like the show. Definitely better than some of the American shows, where some of the hunts are definitely canned!
As an aside, I was looking through my old North American Hunting Club magazines a few days ago and in the member pics at the back spotted a pic showing a fellow named Thomas Pigeon from Oakville Ont. with a large bow-killed bear. The fellow had a big stogie in his mouth, but I couldn't tell if it was the same guy as the host of the TV show. It looked a bit like the guy from the show. Anyone know?
Johnn Peterson
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- Chemainus B.C.
shepodyguide said:
Not saying he did the wrong thing. The footage of the herd was quick prior to the shot and it was hard to judge what was there. My comment was that he should have just explained that they tried to bag a big one but were unsuccessful (like that hasn't happened to us all ), and in the end (last day) chose to take the buck that had limited trophy potential ie. management buck, rather than whacking one of the bucks with more potential. When you watch the show you get the impression that he is going for the trophy right to the end, even though the guide had clearly glassed that bachelor herd thoroughly prior to the stalk and had to know what was there. And when you hear him explain it at the end, it sounds like taking a management buck was the plan all along, which I'm sure it wasn't. And there wasn't enough footage of the bachelor group to let the audience make up their own mind about the trophy potential of the other bucks, or whether there was a bona fide shooter buck in the group. I have rewound and slowed the tape down many times and still can't judge any of those bucks in the group prior to the shot, with the limited footage that they got. Having said that, they worked hard to get that footage and I respect the camera man for being able to hang in for that long stalk.
The host talks all the time to the camera, even during stalks. I thought that he could have explained to his audience in a few words the apparent change in plans prior to shooting the animal. As the host of the show, that is part of his job, to let the audience in on what he is up to. Even if he couldn't speak on tape while stalking, it could have been added later by narration. If the host doesn't do that, he could simply do what he wanted, and justify it after the fact with an explanation that fitted. I personally do not question his credibility in this instance. However if you don't explain what you are doing before you do it, you do not enhance your credibility. Any more so than someone shooting pool should call their shot, rather than explain afterwards that that's what they meant to do . Given that there was a barely-audible conversation between Pigeon and the guide about which buck to shoot just prior to the shot, the audience should have been let in on this, particularly where the camera footage of the group of buck was very quick and only at the moment of shot.
I am not attacking Pigeon, the show, or the episode. I thought the footage of the badlands was exeptional. And I have a lot of respect for anyone who hase cleanly harvested a muley with a bow.
), and in the end (last day) chose to take the buck that had limited trophy potential ie. management buck, rather than whacking one of the bucks with more potential. When you watch the show you get the impression that he is going for the trophy right to the end, even though the guide had clearly glassed that bachelor herd thoroughly prior to the stalk and had to know what was there. And when you hear him explain it at the end, it sounds like taking a management buck was the plan all along, which I'm sure it wasn't. And there wasn't enough footage of the bachelor group to let the audience make up their own mind about the trophy potential of the other bucks, or whether there was a bona fide shooter buck in the group. I have rewound and slowed the tape down many times and still can't judge any of those bucks in the group prior to the shot, with the limited footage that they got. Having said that, they worked hard to get that footage and I respect the camera man for being able to hang in for that long stalk.The host talks all the time to the camera, even during stalks. I thought that he could have explained to his audience in a few words the apparent change in plans prior to shooting the animal. As the host of the show, that is part of his job, to let the audience in on what he is up to. Even if he couldn't speak on tape while stalking, it could have been added later by narration. If the host doesn't do that, he could simply do what he wanted, and justify it after the fact with an explanation that fitted. I personally do not question his credibility in this instance. However if you don't explain what you are doing before you do it, you do not enhance your credibility. Any more so than someone shooting pool should call their shot, rather than explain afterwards that that's what they meant to do
. Given that there was a barely-audible conversation between Pigeon and the guide about which buck to shoot just prior to the shot, the audience should have been let in on this, particularly where the camera footage of the group of buck was very quick and only at the moment of shot.I am not attacking Pigeon, the show, or the episode. I thought the footage of the badlands was exeptional. And I have a lot of respect for anyone who hase cleanly harvested a muley with a bow.
I really enjoy the show and particularly the last episode in the badlands. I hunt and camp in this area frequently, there are a lot of very nice bucks. I also enjoy the cooking segment at the end. Their web site is also well done and it's really cool to be able to go back and watch the actual cooking and download the recipes. Thomas Pigeon does a nice job.
