Canadian collector of U.S. Civil War arms and militaria-Pics added.
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Realy nice collection.I have a love of the civil war guns and over the past few years have managed to aquire Springfields models 1863,1864,1868 ,1884,Sharps new model 1863 50-70 an Enfield cadet carbine and an 1850's American half stock 45-70 now I am now looking for a Springfield 1871 -1873 rolling block 50/70.Most have come from the states.Graham
- Location
- Pile of Bones, SK
Wow! Very nice collection.
- Location
- Algoma region
Wow Sir,
what a collection!!
I really love the 1860 you have there, well to be honest I love everything you have there... The condition of your arms are ..astounding to say the least.
I could not even attempt to estimate what their combined worth would be.
What a pleasure to have ya on board sir!
"Side note , do you have any beaters that you shoot or is the whole of your arms investment pieces??"
Cheers
what a collection!!
I really love the 1860 you have there, well to be honest I love everything you have there... The condition of your arms are ..astounding to say the least.
I could not even attempt to estimate what their combined worth would be.
What a pleasure to have ya on board sir!
"Side note , do you have any beaters that you shoot or is the whole of your arms investment pieces??"
Cheers
I have been away from my computer for a week and I would like to thank those who replied to this thread with the nice comments.
I decided to add some photos of the markings and other perspectives of three Colts shown above namely; Model 1849, Model 1851 Navy, and Model 1860 Army.
Model 1849 Colt Pocket revolver.
The cylinder scene remains very clear on this gun and the the silvering on the grip straps and trigger guard is substantially present.
Model 1851 Colt Navy revolver with U.S. martial markings.
There is no finish remaining on this gun but the cylinder scene and other markings are clear and the serial numbers are all matching.
Inspectors initials M .M. for M. Moulton on the left grip panel.
Model 1860 Colt Army revolver.
The three guns together.
Musketfire I don't shoot any of the Civil War stuff.
I have plenty of WWII pieces that I would be less concerned about shooting.
Griaguns good luck with your quest to find those pieces.
David
I decided to add some photos of the markings and other perspectives of three Colts shown above namely; Model 1849, Model 1851 Navy, and Model 1860 Army.
Model 1849 Colt Pocket revolver.
The cylinder scene remains very clear on this gun and the the silvering on the grip straps and trigger guard is substantially present.
Model 1851 Colt Navy revolver with U.S. martial markings.
There is no finish remaining on this gun but the cylinder scene and other markings are clear and the serial numbers are all matching.
Inspectors initials M .M. for M. Moulton on the left grip panel.
Model 1860 Colt Army revolver.
The three guns together.
Musketfire I don't shoot any of the Civil War stuff.
I have plenty of WWII pieces that I would be less concerned about shooting.
Griaguns good luck with your quest to find those pieces.
David
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Musketfire, on second thought I would probably shoot the two guns shown below.
This is an 1860 Colt Army, there is no remaining finish with faint markings seen on this gun, however it has a nice patina. (Manufactured in early 1862.)
Mod.1884 (this particular model of 1884
was also known as “Model 1888 US
Trapdoor Rifle” or “Ramrod bayonet model”or Model 1889.
This was the last model of the Springfield Trapdoor long arms. Mfg’d between 1889-1893 serial numbers ran from 500,000 to
565,000- total 65000 manufactured.
This particular rifle was manufactured in 1893, serial number 561529 close to the end of the production of this model.
Inspectors acceptance stamp "SWP" for Samuel W. Porter in 1893.
I don't really collect Trapdoors, however this piece is not bad.
The sling is a U.S. M1887, marked with "Rock Island Arsenal" and inspection stamp "E.H.S." for E.H.Schmitten Leather Goods, Rock Island.
Also marked "AEA" , for , Army Executive Agent For Insensitive Munitions.
David
This is an 1860 Colt Army, there is no remaining finish with faint markings seen on this gun, however it has a nice patina. (Manufactured in early 1862.)
Mod.1884 (this particular model of 1884
was also known as “Model 1888 US
Trapdoor Rifle” or “Ramrod bayonet model”or Model 1889.
This was the last model of the Springfield Trapdoor long arms. Mfg’d between 1889-1893 serial numbers ran from 500,000 to
565,000- total 65000 manufactured.
This particular rifle was manufactured in 1893, serial number 561529 close to the end of the production of this model.
Inspectors acceptance stamp "SWP" for Samuel W. Porter in 1893.
I don't really collect Trapdoors, however this piece is not bad.
The sling is a U.S. M1887, marked with "Rock Island Arsenal" and inspection stamp "E.H.S." for E.H.Schmitten Leather Goods, Rock Island.
Also marked "AEA" , for , Army Executive Agent For Insensitive Munitions.
David
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Of the two Colts shown below, I would be more inclined to shoot the one on the left.
(1911A1 manufactured in 1942)
Of the two carbines shown below ,I would be more inclined to shoot the one in the bottom photo.
Sharps carbine, New Model 1863, converted to 50-70 center fire after the Civil War.
Early Inland M1A1 carbine manufactured in 1942
Of the two rifles shown below , I would be more inclined to shoot the one in the bottom photo.
U.S. Model 1841 "Mississippi rifle"
(Matching) Mauser 1941 Portuguese Contract K98k.
The stock markings are very clear on this gun.
David
(1911A1 manufactured in 1942)
Of the two carbines shown below ,I would be more inclined to shoot the one in the bottom photo.
Sharps carbine, New Model 1863, converted to 50-70 center fire after the Civil War.
Early Inland M1A1 carbine manufactured in 1942
Of the two rifles shown below , I would be more inclined to shoot the one in the bottom photo.
U.S. Model 1841 "Mississippi rifle"
(Matching) Mauser 1941 Portuguese Contract K98k.
The stock markings are very clear on this gun.
David
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mpjustin,
My dad was a gun guy, I did a lot more shooting when he was alive than I do today.
Black powder and other stuff. I was probably 12 years old when I got hooked.
I started collecting around then, mostly bayonets and various other things.
As it turns out, he was more of a shooter of modern hunting guns, and I have become more of a collector of older guns ,...mostly military.
Got more focused on Civil War collecting as I was all over the place,...probably around 16.
That was my main passion for many years....(it still is.)
Some years ago I became interested in WWII German (some Lugers , P.38s and other Axis pistols) and American arms with a bit of Russian.
I am liscensed for converted autos, so I got into WWII machineguns.
So all in all,...I am still pretty well all over the place as a collector.
I have never counted the pieces I have , but I am slowing down substantially,
and trying to be very selective in what I buy.
Storage is a big issue.
I hope this answers your question.
David
My dad was a gun guy, I did a lot more shooting when he was alive than I do today.
Black powder and other stuff. I was probably 12 years old when I got hooked.
I started collecting around then, mostly bayonets and various other things.
As it turns out, he was more of a shooter of modern hunting guns, and I have become more of a collector of older guns ,...mostly military.
Got more focused on Civil War collecting as I was all over the place,...probably around 16.
That was my main passion for many years....(it still is.)
Some years ago I became interested in WWII German (some Lugers , P.38s and other Axis pistols) and American arms with a bit of Russian.
I am liscensed for converted autos, so I got into WWII machineguns.
So all in all,...I am still pretty well all over the place as a collector.
I have never counted the pieces I have , but I am slowing down substantially,
and trying to be very selective in what I buy.
Storage is a big issue.
I hope this answers your question.
David
thanks David. I myself started when I lived in alberta with just target practice and the a bit of hunting. my grandfather pasted away about 5 years ago and I inherited some old winchesters, a remington rolingblock and a couple other oddball stuff. sice then my collection has grown from about 14 peices to almost 40. I partiularly like winchesters. they tend to have quite a history and I find them to be a bit of a investment. its my way of saving money.
thanks you very much for your story as well as the great pics.
Justin
thanks you very much for your story as well as the great pics.
Justin
Nessy357,
Thanks for cluing me in on posting photos on this forum, and your kind comments regarding my collection.
I have had some great advice from experienced collectors over the years; it probably started with the suggestion that buying the best reference books is a key factor in helping determine what is correct and what is not.
Buying the best piece that I could afford,….and be patient.
Theoretically there should always be a market for nice pieces unless our Canadian gun laws go squirrelly.
The idea of viewing a collection as an investment is a widely debated subject.
As one very experienced Navy Luger collector once said……if you are over 45 years of age and are purchasing expensive pieces the investment factor is a critical element.
Shooting collectable firearms is another issue.
Original bluing (finish/patina) and serial numbered parts in certain guns (i.e. Lugers and others) if damaged can reduce a collector piece to a shooter piece and affect its value substantially.
Most serious collectors will not risk ruining a nice piece by shooting it, there are guns in lesser condition that are perhaps more appropriate to exercise this passion.
Ideally if you pick one collecting theme and stick with it you "can" become very knowledgeable in that field rather than wandering around different types of collectables as I have done where you have “some expertise” in a number of fields.
It’s all about personal choice I guess.
David
P.S.
Additional photos added on page two and three.
Aug 13 11.46 PM Eastern time.
Also bottom of page three Aug 14 7 PM Eastern time.
Photos added and changed on page three, Aug 16 8.26 PM Eastern time.
Thanks for cluing me in on posting photos on this forum, and your kind comments regarding my collection.
I have had some great advice from experienced collectors over the years; it probably started with the suggestion that buying the best reference books is a key factor in helping determine what is correct and what is not.
Buying the best piece that I could afford,….and be patient.
Theoretically there should always be a market for nice pieces unless our Canadian gun laws go squirrelly.
The idea of viewing a collection as an investment is a widely debated subject.
As one very experienced Navy Luger collector once said……if you are over 45 years of age and are purchasing expensive pieces the investment factor is a critical element.
Shooting collectable firearms is another issue.
Original bluing (finish/patina) and serial numbered parts in certain guns (i.e. Lugers and others) if damaged can reduce a collector piece to a shooter piece and affect its value substantially.
Most serious collectors will not risk ruining a nice piece by shooting it, there are guns in lesser condition that are perhaps more appropriate to exercise this passion.
Ideally if you pick one collecting theme and stick with it you "can" become very knowledgeable in that field rather than wandering around different types of collectables as I have done where you have “some expertise” in a number of fields.
It’s all about personal choice I guess.
David
P.S.
Additional photos added on page two and three.
Aug 13 11.46 PM Eastern time.
Also bottom of page three Aug 14 7 PM Eastern time.
Photos added and changed on page three, Aug 16 8.26 PM Eastern time.
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