Canadian Forces Small Arms Concentration CFSAC 2010

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Folks, am new to the site and to the forum but wanted to update you on CFSAC 2010.

I am one of the staff of CFSAC and have been for over 3 years now. I am privy to some information which from time-to-time needs to be released.

We had a CFSAC weekly coord meeting today and made what I feel is a fairly key decision.

The decision was made today that match designs/sketches/descriptions would not be officially released to competitors/teams/individuals until they have all arrived at Connaught. Previous 2010 released matches should be considered invalid. Matches are still being finalized.

Essentially what this means is that when you get to the competitions, you will be given the matches. Until then, and in prep for CFSAC, competitors should be practicing all marksmanship principles. Also of note was that there would be movers utilized this year.

This may not please everyone, but it is the command decision. I am just the messenger.

I can be PM'd if you have questions or concerns.

I look fwd to seeing you all at CFSAC 2010.

Cheers!
 
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What was the purpose of the name change from "Canadian Forces Small Arms Competition" to "Canadian Forces Small Arms Concentration"?
 
CFSAC guy said:
The decision was made today that match designs/sketches/descriptions would not be officially released to competitors/teams/individuals until they have all arrived at Connaught. Previous 2010 released matches should be considered invalid. Matches are still being finalized.

Essentially what this means is that when you get to the competitions, you will be given the matches.
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Well, as long as those in the know or are involved in the design of the matches are excluded from competing, then that would be fair I suppose. Otherwise, then what's the point?,, or in the lingo of the day,, what's the commander's intent?

Is the info on the DAT website still valid?
 
It should be a given that anyone with prior knowledge of the course of fire would not compete.
Similarly, anyone with prior knowledge should not be coaching or training anyone who will be competing.
 
A pair of great coaches who I know lost sleep trying to beat sense into me over the years. Said, and they where right.

Who really gives a #### what the matches are. There has to be a start.....then a sight picture on a stationary, snap, moving target......you have to engage the target array presented to you once or 5, 10 times........then there is a end. Every match is the same all you have to do as the shooter is "ID, Access, React!....

So in saying that. All you have to do is remember a sequence of exposures and timings when you get there. If you can't do that. You just might not be ready to compete in this level of competition.

My 0.2$

Cheers
BMW
 
The reality is that there are only so much time and ammo to train - everyone wants to train for the things that matter.

Personally I would not cry if the course of fire is not fixed. I could care less the sequence the targets pop out and how they are combined - IDPA and IPSC don't give away the course of fire ahead anyways. I think we should do random combination of barricades........

However, I do want to know if there are movers and how fast they will be moving. It is very difficult to practice moving targets and build up the skill to judge speed when the range doesn't have mechanical targets.
 
CFSAC Guy,

Is this for the pistol stages only?

Are the rifle stages affected?

Having been in attendance at the WG, we mostly glossed past the pistol stages (unless they were discussed the day I was sick) with the word that the pistol stuff was about 85% of the way to where they should be, and so we focused on the rifle stages.

I recall several years ago when an individual involved in design of certain stages (including the "secret" stage) also fired the matches. That individual won many accolades and gongs that year, including the secret stage....which was not secret to him. That left a bitter taste in a few mouths.

A level playing field for all competitors is good, and I hope it is thus.

As for having all the stages "secret", well, in my opinion it's merely an expansion of what was previously done from a single stage to all stages. *shrug* Target presents, target gets shot.

NS
 
Practically, for a typical flat range layout like Connaught, there are only so many tricks that can be pulled. THey either pop up or move sideways, or the shooter need to run, crawl, breakdance to the firing point, and shoot at kneeling, standing, prone or crouching. Maybe something like this at the 100m line with a barricade:

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Things will only get interesting when it is done in a IDPA/IPSC format where time and score are combined. There you can make people do a lot of weird things and shoot in weird positions.
 
The more junk you add to these matches the more they will become about trying to game them and less about marksmanship.This whole revamp is a bad idea and will detract from the skills that we are trying to get across here.
 
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The more junk you add to these matches the more they will become about trying to game them and less about marksmanship.This whole revamp is a bad idea and will detract from the skills that we are trying to get across here.
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Agreed. Now you just need to convince your wife that you must go to CFSAC so you can sort out this whole new format thing.
 
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