Canadian source for Flintlock repro pistols?

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Hi folks,

are reproduction flintlock/wheel-lock/matchlock pistols considered antiques and not required to be registered? i read over the regulations several times but its still confusing as hell. could someone please summarize the rules regarding black powder pistols?

is there a canadian source for these?
 
ah, upon further reading, POST-1897 flintlock pistols, but not longarms, are subject to registration. this makes them restricted?

is a pistol such as this restricted? non-restricted?
http://w ww.loyalistarms.freeservers.com/1720's%20french%20pistol.html

it would help so much if dealers/site admins at these sites would simply put a small tag or notice on the page of each gun that clarified restricted/antique/non-restricted, etc.

dont even get me started on the fact that the Canadian price is 45% higher than the US price, i already posted a rant on this BS in the OT forum.
are there any other popular canadian sites that sell flintlock pistols? this is the only one ive found.
 
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The gun is newly made in India; it is restricted once it becomes functional. Without going through the whole add by Loyalist arms, I am pretty sure they are selling guns without the touch hole drilled so that they are non guns until the hole is drilled. At that point all laws applying to modern handguns apply.
The only place you are going to find registration exempt pistols is going to be antique dealers, most of whom are in the states.

cheers mooncoon
 
so basically these are fully functional repros without the touchhole drilled?

so you can keep them as nonfiring replicas that are not required to be registered for the time being, and later on if you wish to shoot them you can take it to a gunsmith and have the touchhole drilled, get it registered as a restricted, and away you go?
 
I suppose.
Replica firearms are, generally speaking, prohibited devices. But replicas of antique firearms are not prohibited.
Loyalist Arms isn't selling firearms, they are selling replicas of antique firearms.
Drill the touch hole and a firearm has been manufactured.
I would also want to make sure that the breechplug was properly fitted, the barrel sound, etc. It is my understanding that the barrels on these Indian replicas are made of seamless tubing. There have been long debates about whether tubing is appropriate for a barrel. It would appear that as long as there are no flaws in the material, tubing can be used for a smoothbore barrel.
There has also been discussion on ML boards about the quality of these Indian pieces. It sounds as if there is a similarity between Indian and Chinese QC. It might be necessary to work the gun over.
 
honestly upon reading up more about the regulations concerning antique handguns, the likelihood of it ever being converted and registered as a firearm is almost nonexistant. id just leave it as a display piece.
but it is nice to know that the wallhanger you purchased is crafted with the same robust materials and design as if it were an actual weapon.

for example, even though i will never use a cavalry saber in battle, i would never purchase a wallhanger that was a cheap untempered mass-produced piece of $100 crap. if i purchased one i would want one crafted in the same way an actual cavalry saber was. why, if it will never be used and the difference may not even be discernible to the casual eye? i dont know, just the way i feel about 'replicas'.

thank you both for enlightening me on flintlock pistols :)
 
The Liberals closed-up the loophole. Its a scary thought all the gang bangers in Toronto, roaming at will with their flintlock muzzle loading pistols :jerkit:
 
Any Repro flintlock handguns (if the touch hole is drilled) are Restricted firearms.
You can drill the touch hole yourself. Then phone CFC and they will verify it over the phone. Go to the CFC website and complete the registration. Now you have a registered restricted firearm.
I've done this several times.
The other thing is that, these cheap pistols have a crappy lock. Make sure the frizzen is case hardened and the lock is tuned before purchasing the pistol. Thats only if you are planning to fire it one day.
 
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mooncoon said:
...Loyalist arms...I am pretty sure they are selling guns without the touch hole drilled so that they are non guns until the hole is drilled.
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I asked Loyalist Arms about this specifically. Loyalist Arms told me that all are fully functional.

http://www.loyalistarms.freeservers.com/
 
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I have one of there flint lock brass barrel blunderbusses they are well made if a little crude but one has to admire the craftsmanship as a lot of the parts are hand fitted. mine sparks and shoots fine .
 
According to their website, Loyalist will ship the pistols without a touch hole, no PAL required. If you drill, the item becomes a restricted firearm, and it is up to you to comply with the law. If they supply the pistol in a functional condition, then the whole restricted firearm purchase process kicks it.
Their touch hole longarms are functional, and do not require a PAL. Percussion and breechloading are not deemed antiques, of course.
 
"...a Canadian source..." Where you are matters somewhat. Epp's, in Orillia, lists some flintlocks. So does Shooter's Choice in Waterloo, Ont. Uberti's, Perdersoli's, etc are fairly common and have a reputation for quality.
I'd be very leery of an Indian made flintlock firearm that isn't finished.
 
DEZ said:
I have one of there flint lock brass barrel blunderbusses they are well made if a little crude but one has to admire the craftsmanship as a lot of the parts are hand fitted. mine sparks and shoots fine .
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Loyalist does the tuning by hand on the locks. He hardens the frizzens in shop.

Essentially he receives the firearms from the factory in India as assembled "kits". His employees then disassemble and complete the process. I visited his facility last summer and saw first hand his crew hand fitting and tuning locks, re-assembling muskets and packing them for shipment (very well packaged!).

FWIW, I got to handle the new wheel lock pistols he is selling. Great pieces! Wish I had some extra cash to get one or two.
 
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