Cant decide between Remington or Savage!

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Im completely new to shooting and have been looking to purchase my first rifle.
im looking at getting it in a .308. it will be my project long range gun.
the two rifles i cant decide between are the Remington 700 sps tactical aac sd and the savage 10fcp-sr tactical.
ive done my research and ive been able to find alot more info on the remington... some insight on the savage would be nice..
 
Either would probably work for you. Going to be shooting with ORA?
Might be worth considering buying a decent used rifle.
Don't go cheap on the scope.
 
completely new for long range? i'd by a 223 first and learn the basics. It will take many many rounds to build your skill level to shoot consistant and small groups at long range. and $.23 a shell vs $.40+ really adds up when you want to shoot 100+ rounds a sitting.

get the right barrel twist and you'll shoot .223 800yards Easy. 1000yards if you really push the boundaries of the cartridge.
edit: i shoot my rem 700 .223 with 1-12 twist to 600yards in my backyard. 50gr vmax pushing nearly 3400fps. If i had a 1-10 or 1-9 twist i could easily stretch it to 700 with a heavier bullet.
i do reload my own shells and the rifle performs very well keeping submoa up to 300yards with the light bullet (well... when it's locked in a bench. the nut behind the gun can't keep submoa :|)

Shooting far is easy now-a-days. so spend less on the rifle and more on the scope. 1000$+ for a reputable scope and never look back. You will buy and sell many looking for "better" if they are sub 600$. Trust the community on that one!


If your going to push your .308 long you want the longest barrel you can get. Or add a 20-40moa rail and a scope with a minimum of 100moa of travel.
for +800yards savage 10
for -800yards remington 700 tactical.

after 900yards most common .308 (168gr's) will begin to have dramatic fall off in speed and elevation.
by 1000 yards they will drop sub-sonic. If they don't tumble they will remain accurate.

keeping a longer barrel will increase your speed at the muzzle prolonging the transition to sub-sonic speeds.

Now with enough research you can find and use bullets that will have better characteristics to transfer between trans-sonic to subsonic speeds.
But until you begin reloading you have alot to learn. and then even more once you start to reload.
Best of luck. The endless challenges are the best part about this sport.
 
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remington very good choice you will not second guess after you shoot it. Always the go to rifle
 
Savage fan boy here. But as mentioned there is good and bad for either. The accutrigger seems to be a love or hate thing for most. I happen to love it. Not sure about Remington triggers except make sure it is on of the ones either already serviced with the recall ot a new one
That being said timney,rifle basic, and others make aftermarket triggers.
As said before don't underestimate the 223 for good entry rifle. It will keep up with lots of other rifle cartridges to a good distance. Cheaper to shoot and brass has good life.
 
Thanks for all the info guys...
@tiriaq i am definitely with you on the not cheaping out on the scope... ive read to may threads on here of guys cheaping out and having to buy a new scope... would like to avoid buying twice... im looking at the sightron s3 6-24x50 ffp lrmoa. read great reviews on it...
@snooze98k i have no intentions to go out to 1000 yards right away... going to work my way up to it... ive looked into reloading and from what i understand is to achieve consistent accuracy is a must... what are your thoughts on the hoarnady lock and reload delux kits offered?
i figured if im going to get into the sport i might as well go all the way ;)
 
What does LR actually mean to you?

What is your rifle budget?

What is your ongoing operating budget?

The question you are asking is the Chevy Camaro vs Ford Mustang question. There is no right or wrong. Both rifles now share a broad aftermarket so there is plenty of stuff to choose from.

Both are used in competition... both get on the podium.

Guns build with Rem 700's, ingeneral, cost more then similar set ups with Savages..... but this really depends on the level of performance you want to reach.

So, a very broad question with many answers.... narrow down your goals and objectives THEN see what action has the parts and accessories you may want in the long term.

223 Rem is a wonderful option. 308 will recoil some so that has to be considered as well.

Jerry

PS... if going to reload, very good idea, there is no kit offered by any reloading company that offers all the stuff you will eventually get. Better to pick and choose the better tools right now instead of buying twice... PM or email if you want to discuss
 
What Jerry said.

My only additional comment would be that .308 would not be my first choice.

As for reloading stuff, keep an eye on the EE. I agree that buying a lot isn't for precision LR. It's for hunters that are looking to save some $$ on shells.

There is indeed a tonne to learn!!!

-J.
 
You want to shoot targets at long range without breaking the bank? I would put my money on a Savage 12 F/TR in .223. These rifles come with a 1:7" twist that will spin 90 gr bullets well enough to get on target out to 1000 yards. A 90 gr .223 bullet will shoot pretty close if not better than a 175 gr bullet out of a .308.
 
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you want to shoot targets at long range without breaking the bank? I would put my money on a savage 12 f/tr in .223. These rifles come with a 1:7" twist that will spin 90 gr bullets well enough to get on target out to 1000 yards. A 90 gr .223 bullet will shoot pretty close if not better than a 175 gr bullet out of a .308.
Click to expand...

x2 for Savage model 12 FTR!!!!

In case you don't know... Maynard knows more than just a few very successful long range shooters and what they like to shoot...
In just about any country you can think of.

The 223 will be cheaper to feed and runs real well out to about 600 yards, but from my experience in F Class the 308 tends to do better at extended ranges particularly with the Berger 185 jugs.

Since Maynard is a sling shooter with peep sights and limited to 155 grain bullets - the 223 runs about the same, but less recoil.
 
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Get hands on your choices, nit pick untill your disgusted with one or the other. I prefer the REM because of parts availability, so many routs you can go.

If its a real "project" then get a used rifle, and buy new parts. As long as that core action is solid, smooth and reliable, your good to go! Make it personal, and have fun with it!
 
thanks for all the info guys... i appreciate all the insight...
im leaning towards the remington... just so many options and availability.... it is going to be a project gun but upgrades are going to happen as i get better as im going to need lots of practice to get better....
is it unrealistic to use use your target rifle for hunting aswell? using the applicable ammo for each use obviously?
 
If you want the gun for close range hunting the remmy is fine.

If you want to develop into a decent long range shooter with the gun you will be sorry for not going with the Savage model 12

Think about action stiffness friend as you look at these two pictures...
Go ahead... look, I'll wait...

The action needs to support your heavy barrel. Which one is more likely to bend under the enormous force of discharging a firearm?

Then there's the safety factor... The remmy will allow over pressure from a ruptured case to travel along the left side lug way and blast gun powder in your left eye.
The Savage has a lug way blocker to prevent this.
If you pay extra for a fluted bolt on the remmy this would allow the gas to vent and protect the shooter. but that's more money that you need to factor in.

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