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Hi all. I upgraded to an "R"PAL a while back and thought I had finally figured it all out until this morning.
Being November, and the range I've chosen for annual membership goes by calender year, I've decided to pay for Jan - Dec 2012. I thought I'd order a handgun now, so it'd get here before Jan 1st.

Anyways, Marstar told me today, that they can NOT transfer a restricted firearm into my name unless I have a valid range membership, and include my membership number on the order form.

This is contrary to what I understood. I know I can't get my LTAT without a valid, active membership, but I thought that I could BUY a restricted. Are dealers unable to get authorization to ship it to me and that's why they "can't" sell or transfer it?

I know there was a similar thread here a while back: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=661591

But thought I'd post it fresh so as not to highjack an older thread.

Any help greatly appreciated. Also, could I buy it on the EE now and could the seller ship? Is it dealer specific?

Thanks folks
 
I think all provincial CFO's require you to show proof of range membership before approving a restricted transfer. Their reason is unless you have collector status, you have no reason to own a restricted firearm because you can only discharge said firearm at a approved range. This is not the law BTW. Fight it or get yourself a range membership, your choice.
 
Range membership is not a must, at least when I purchased my first Restricted 4 years ago. It is emphasized that you ought to be in the process of joining a club for target shooting (name your club, address you want to join), however have not formerly done so. Pass this information along to the CFO of your province when doing the transfer from seller to buyer (important). I think i had a range membership within a week after transfer completed, and has STAT to get it home. I really see no reason to have a gun i can't shoot, unless its a nice collector item, and "collector" status is not worth even trying to obtain (unless your a serious collector).
 
have you sent the application to the gun club and paid for it or just talked to them? If so they might be able to give you a member number or even get the president of the club to write you a letter saying you will have membership #x due to be active on January 1st.
 
you can buy a restircted whithout being a member, but you must be "going" to join a club.

You will not get an ATT in ONT. until you join a club. (you can get an ATT to and from a gunsmith, but that's iT).
 
All this CFO stuff is true, but doesn't help the OP order his gun. What do you do if the store refuses to initiate a transfer because there is no club membership? Buy from someone else I guess?

OP, have you called (called, not e-mailed) Marstar and talked to them about this? It may be CFO policy to have a store verify club membership, but it is not law that you even need membership, so why should the store decline to start a transfer.

I saw a CFO document that, when doing a transfer, asks if club membership verified, and it had checked off "verified by retailer". This impies the CFO is asking the retailers to verify club membership. It shouldn't be the retailers job, or problem in any way.

OP, you're in B.C. DO they enforce this club membership policy for restricted transfers/ownership? If not, the retailer should have no issues. If they do enforce it then see again what I posted above.
 
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In BC.
(1) A person must be a member in good standing of a gun club to obtain a LTATT.
(2) The BC CFO will not authorize a restricted/prohibited transfer unless the person holds a LTATT.

Hope that helps Eh!


Bigbinks said:
Hi all. I upgraded to an "R"PAL a while back and thought I had finally figured it all out until this morning.
Being November, and the range I've chosen for annual membership goes by calender year, I've decided to pay for Jan - Dec 2012. I thought I'd order a handgun now, so it'd get here before Jan 1st.

Anyways, Marstar told me today, that they can NOT transfer a restricted firearm into my name unless I have a valid range membership, and include my membership number on the order form.

This is contrary to what I understood. I know I can't get my LTAT without a valid, active membership, but I thought that I could BUY a restricted. Are dealers unable to get authorization to ship it to me and that's why they "can't" sell or transfer it?

I know there was a similar thread here a while back: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=661591

But thought I'd post it fresh so as not to highjack an older thread.

Any help greatly appreciated. Also, could I buy it on the EE now and could the seller ship? Is it dealer specific?

Thanks folks
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You can't hold an "LTATT" to posess a restricted, UNLESS you already own a restricted. Oh, and there is no such thing as an LTATT, they are all just ATT's.

My first restricted was bot from Marstar before I was a club member, they just need to know the Club, you "intend " to join.
 
That is not correct.

In BC, the individual firearms are not listed on the LTATT.
The LTATT covers any restricted/prohibited fireams for which I have registration.
The firearms do not have to be registered to me.

The ATT covers specific firearms, and is used when doing transfers, or moving firearms from A to B.

Different Provinces, different Rules Eh!:)


noway123 said:
You can't hold an "LTATT" to posess a restricted, UNLESS you already own a restricted. Oh, and there is no such thing as an LTATT, they are all just ATT's.

My first restricted was bot from Marstar before I was a club member, they just need to know the Club, you "intend " to join.
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Join Silvercore for $30

Silvercore Gun Club The Canadian Firearms Center has stated that it is mandatory for anyone wishing to purchase a restricted firearm to belong to either a certified gun club, or a range.

Not everyone wants to join a range; some people would rather pay drop in fees at multiple ranges rather than commit to just one.

In an effort to promote the shooting sports in Canada, Silvercore has become a registered and certified gun club. For only $15.00 for Silvercore students or $30 for non-students you can now join our gun club and meet the requirements to obtain restricted firearms.
Included with your registration is:

  • A certified Silvercore club membership letter
  • An ATT application form
  • Full live and telephone support during normal operating hours
  • Discounts off of selected Silvercore courses
  • Optional placement on our first contact promotional list
 
I second that. Silvercore is the best virtual gun club there is, the only one I know of. They will walk you though the process. No need to join a full service gun club if you just want to purchase a few restricted firearms.
 
Halger280HVMag said:
In BC.
(1) A person must be a member in good standing of a gun club to obtain a LTATT.
(2) The BC CFO will not authorize a restricted/prohibited transfer unless the person holds a LTATT.

Hope that helps Eh!
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Yes. That's the regs for ATT's. Not purchase or transfer. These are "supposed" to be federal regulations. We all know different CFO's are playing games and enforcing their own policies though.

I saw this first hand. If you don't own a restricted they will NOT issue an ATT. If by your #2, how does someone purchase their first restricted without an ATT? See what I mean? No ATT no gun. No gun, no need for ATT.

That aside, it's legal to own a restricted in Canada without being a club member. (geez, we're doing this all again aren't we). They can issue a StATT to get the man his gun, then when he gets a membership he can get a LtAtt.


noway123 said:
You can't hold an "LTATT" to posess a restricted, UNLESS you already own a restricted. Oh, and there is no such thing as an LTATT, they are all just ATT's.

My first restricted was bot from Marstar before I was a club member, they just need to know the Club, you "intend " to join.
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Symantics. Yes, they're all ATT's. They've adopted the nicknames of short term and long term so we know if we're talking a specially issued one event ATT (short term) or a standing ATT.



Halger280HVMag said:
That is not correct.

In BC, the individual firearms are not listed on the LTATT.
The LTATT covers any restricted/prohibited fireams for which I have registration.
The firearms do not have to be registered to me.
The ATT covers specific firearms, and is used when doing transfers, or moving firearms from A to B.

Different Provinces, different Rules Eh!:)
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Restricteds registered to a particular address, not individual. That's how mine reads anyway.

Shouldn't be according to provinces, but apparently it is.
 
In BC, a person does not need to have a restricted already in their name for the issue of a LTATT.
My LTATT covers ANY restricted/prohibited firearm for which I have the registration in my possession. Providing that my RPAL covers the class designation of that firearm. the firearm does NOT have to be registered to my address, For example I might have a borrowed gun.

In my experience, these are the steps here in BC..

Join a club.
Submit proof of membership to CFO.
The CFO issues a LTATT.
Purchase restricted firearm.
CFO authorizes transfer and issues an ATT to move the specific firearm from Seller to Buyer.
Take firearm to the range with the LTATT.

Repeat final step until you begin to feel better.:)

Yogi05 said:
Yes. That's the regs for ATT's. Not purchase or transfer. These are "supposed" to be federal regulations. We all know different CFO's are playing games and enforcing their own policies though.

I saw this first hand. If you don't own a restricted they will NOT issue an ATT. If by your #2, how does someone purchase their first restricted without an ATT? See what I mean? No ATT no gun. No gun, no need for ATT.

That aside, it's legal to own a restricted in Canada without being a club member. (geez, we're doing this all again aren't we). They can issue a StATT to get the man his gun, then when he gets a membership he can get a LtAtt.




Symantics. Yes, they're all ATT's. They've adopted the nicknames of short term and long term so we know if we're talking a specially issued one event ATT (short term) or a standing ATT.





Restricteds registered to a particular address, not individual. That's how mine reads anyway.

Shouldn't be according to provinces, but apparently it is.
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Bigbinks said:
Hi all. I upgraded to an "R"PAL a while back and thought I had finally figured it all out until this morning.
Being November, and the range I've chosen for annual membership goes by calender year, I've decided to pay for Jan - Dec 2012. I thought I'd order a handgun now, so it'd get here before Jan 1st.

Anyways, Marstar told me today, that they can NOT transfer a restricted firearm into my name unless I have a valid range membership, and include my membership number on the order form.

This is contrary to what I understood. I know I can't get my LTAT without a valid, active membership, but I thought that I could BUY a restricted. Are dealers unable to get authorization to ship it to me and that's why they "can't" sell or transfer it?

I know there was a similar thread here a while back: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=661591

But thought I'd post it fresh so as not to highjack an older thread.

Any help greatly appreciated. Also, could I buy it on the EE now and could the seller ship? Is it dealer specific?

Thanks folks
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Since when is Marstar government enforcer?


Order your gun somewhere else.

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Thank you all for your input and sorry to take so long to respond.

I did indeed "speak" to a rep at Marstar and was told that they couldn't transfer it into my name without a membership. This is after I explained that I had already applied and that my membership wouldn't be active until January 1st.

And yes, it is my understanding that here in BC, I can obtain a "L"TAT without yet owning a restricted. It will apply to "any and all" firearms in my name and registered to the same address as the LTAT. However, I do need to already be a member of a range to get it.

I went to my range and talked to one of the folks in charge of memberships today. I will get my membership card (and number) in a few days. I will then both apply for my LTAT, and attempt to order my firearm, explaining to both paties of course that the membership is valid only after Jan. 1st.

I'll let y'all know how it works out.
It really is too bad that the regulations vary so much from province to province and are so open to interpretation.

Thanks again for all the input.

Cole
 
Halger280HVMag said:
In BC, a person does not need to have a restricted already in their name for the issue of a LTATT.
My LTATT covers ANY restricted/prohibited firearm for which I have the registration in my possession. Providing that my RPAL covers the class designation of that firearm. the firearm does NOT have to be registered to my address, For example I might have a borrowed gun.

In my experience, these are the steps here in BC..
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That's a condition I am looking to get on my att. In Ont it has to be applied for seperately, and according to the CFO (ATT person) they will pass it on to their superiors for review.

I want this condition because I make holsters for friends and it's a PITA the get a seperate att each time I need a gun for fitting/shaping a holster.
 
Halger280HVMag said:
That is not correct.

In BC, the individual firearms are not listed on the LTATT.
The LTATT covers any restricted/prohibited fireams for which I have registration.
The firearms do not have to be registered to me.

The ATT covers specific firearms, and is used when doing transfers, or moving firearms from A to B.

Different Provinces, different Rules Eh!:)
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Ok for prohibs its only 12.6 only.... it says so on the paper work that means no 12.2 12.3 12.4 or 12.5 (12.7 is ok though)
 
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