Carbines Around The Length of the No.5 Mk.I Enfield

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Hello,

I am looking to compile a list of carbines that are near the same length over all (muzzle to butt) as the No.5 Mk.I Jungle Carbine, or shorter or a tad longer.

So far I have to start the list:

Swedish M/94 6.5X55
Portugese 1909 Cav Carbine 30-06
Kar 88 7.92X57 I
Martini-Enfield Artillery Carbine .303 Brit

Thank you gents, I look forward to what you can suggest!

Cheers,
Drachenblut
 
Iranian M49 Carbine, 8mm Mauser, made by the Czechs and Iranians. And a mind boggling amount of South American Mauser carbines. I think they are probably shorter than the No. 5.

Do you want semi-autos as well or just bolt action?
Rashid Carbine made in Egypt (and/or Sweden??) in 7.62x39mm.
M1 Carbine in .30 Carbine.

Only have the M49 unfortunately. :(

EDIT: Here's a thread from not too long ago with lots listed.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458776
 
Carcano Carbine Model 91 6.5mm
Carcano Carbine Model 38 7.35mm
Carcano Carbine Model 38 6.5mm
Carcano TS 91 6,5mm
Carcano TS 38 7.35mm
Carcano TS 38 6.5mm

Snider Cavalry Carbine (several Marks) .577 Service
Snider Cadet Carbine (several Marks) .577 Service

Berthier Mle. 1892 Carbine 8mm Lebel
Berthier Carbine (Turkish) 8mm Lebel

Mannlicher (Swiss) straight-pull 7.5x55

Kropatschek 1885 8x60R
Kropatschek 1885/92 8x60R

and there are more; I just can't afford them all!

Besides, I'd need another basement!

Oh, and here are a few expensive ones:
original Kar.88 7.9x57
original Kar.98 7.9x57
Belgian Model 89 7.65x53
and Carbine versions of just about every European or South American rifle you can think of. Gonna be one huge collection!
 
Friend Hungry:

Why bother?

The old .303 can be handloaded with a 150-grain bullet to very nearly equal the .308, and at lower pressures. Old Dominion loads equalled the .308 and there were no hordes of wrecked JCs from that stuff.

With a 174 slug, there is only 110 ft/sec between the Mark VII and the M-118; M-118 equals precisely the Mark VIII load and a lotta Number 4s were approved and proofed for that.

The relative anemia of the "obsolete, rimmed British .303 cartridge" is largely a fig-newton of the American gun press's myopic and egocentric imagination.

Now to Carbines:
Mauser Kar. 1871/84 11.15x60R (.43 Mauser)
Norsk Krag K.96 6.5x55
Dansker Krag K.89 8x58R
American Krag .30-40 several models
M-2 (we all wish!) .30M-1 Carbine
 
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Drachenblut said:
Hmmm allright, how much do those Persian/Iranian M49's go for, and where can one buy one? Good bad things about them?
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Spotted it in Access to Firearms, listed by Daniel G. Banting Fine Firearms & Collectibles - something to that effect anyway, great guy to deal with, apparently only advertises in Access every so often. Snagged it for 500 if memory serves, plus tax etc. It's the only one I have actually seen for sale, although I doubt they are unobtanium.

I haven't heard anything but good things about the M49's and don't have anything but good to say myself, although it hasn't been to the range yet so I can't really comment too thoroughly. It seems like a handy little rifle and I'm sure will give one hell of a bang. I'm also the very definition of a lightweight so we'll see what I think after a range session.. only a few weeks to go I hope!

I do like carbine length rifles quite a bit so that will probably help me live with the battering, and the history of the rifle is certainly interesting too.

The Czech produced Iranian 98/29 long rifles (emphasis on long) are supposed to be some of the best Mauser derivatives around and unfortunately don't come up for sale either, I'd grab one of those in a heartbeat... but I'm getting a little off track, so, here are some pictures of the M49. :)

The bottom rifle in the first pic is a Yugoslavian M48, gives a bit of an idea of the length. Similar to the South American carbines I mentioned, I'd say.

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Prior to the adoption of the SMLE, there were also Lee Enfield and Lee Metford cavalry carbines.

Prior to the adoption of "short rifles" for all troops, such as the SMLE or M1903 Springfield, with around a 22"-26" barrel, practically every country issued a full-length rifle (often with a 28"+ barrel) for infantry and carbines for specialist troops such as cavalry and artillery.
 
Carbines

Don't forget the Ruger Police Carbine rifles in pistol calibers - 9mm and .40 cal, produced as the PC9 and PC4 rifles. Short, robust and heavy!
 
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