Carcano Rifles

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Hi every one, im planning to get a WW2 Carcano. I dont know a darn about any carcano.

Which models were used in WW2?
Which one is most valued?

What are the price ranges on these rifles.


Thanks.
dgradinaru
 
The main model used in WW2 would have been the M91/38 Fucile Corto in 6.5mm, then the M91/41 Fucile. Paratroopers were issued the M91/38 Moschetto da Cavalleria, and I imagine support troops the Moschetto per Truppe Speciali, again all in 6.5mm. The M38 series 7.35mm weapons were never issued to front-line Italian troops. None of the Carcanos seem to have that much dollar value attached to them, unless you find one of the really rare variants like the TS Carbine with the attached grenade launcher or an original WW1 era M1891 TS Carbine with the sideways bayonet lug.
 
Look for a Model 41. Very few built, but a lot of them seem to have turned up in Canada.

I have one that regularly gives me 1 MOA, and that's with 4198 powder and a Remington bulk-pack 140 flatbase: wrong powder and wrong diameter bulet, but the rifle likes it. Paid $56 for the rifle, several years ago, in super condition. Any time I can get a genuine 1-MOA rifle for $56, I'll take it. Price on this model today seems to be about $250 - $325.... and no higher. Thing has a 27-inch barrel, is rather on the lightweight side, loads fast, good trigger. Apart from sheer horsepower, I would not feel underequipped with a Model 41: cartridge develops about the power of a .30-30 but is far more accurate, a MUCH better performer in bush. The Italians kept some Carcanos up until the 1960s because they would outshoot their Garands any time at all.

Action is a modified Mauser type with a Mannlicher magazine. Action itself is VERY stiff; I have no idea why they aren't being used for match rifles. Finish often is not up to German or American standards, but that is judging a book by the cover. The money went into quality of steel and manufacture. BTW, Model 41 is the only Carcano which was designed with constant-twist rifling; all the others used gain-twist for most of their manufacture. Barrels have wide lands and grooves, 4 each, and last a long time.

Carbines and Truppi Speziali rifles were LOUD but the longr versions were very docile. Funny, but that's about the ONLY thing I can find to criticise about the Carcano. They are dandy rifles.

Get one. Get two. Get a dozen. Get some brass and slugs (Trade-Ex) and some clips (JP has some), a set of dies and you're ready to go. Original Italian powder was a type of Ballistite: we can't get it. I would go to 3031 or 4895 for the long rifles but have used 4198 with success in the Carbines and TS models.

Have fun! That's what it's all about.

Hope this helps.
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I have two, a 1943 91/41 and a 1917 M91. As smellie said go for the 41, likely to get a really good bore. From what I have learned the bullet weight
is suppose to be 160gr. You will have to try some .264 dia bullet vs the proper dia of .268 dia bullets. The .284 are the common dia for the 6.5x55
Swedish rifles and other 6.5 cartridges. The carcano shoots .268 bullet. Now some 41's has amazing bores and can shoot the small bullet. I have yet
to try. The .264 dia are cheaper, so if they shoot well = bonus.

Now on brass, the privi is ok, but the rims are very thin, Norma has a much thicker rim on the cartridge case. Super for reloading as the privi will wear / damage
faster. The other issue is that no one actually makes a shell holder in the proper dia for the carcano cartridge. You can use the same as 30-06 (which is a #2 I believe).

Just a few tid bits.

Pete
 
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