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Without knowing the details of this Cartridge, What would you say about it?

Ive just been shooting some Rounds with the TTSX bullet, an came across this one, sticky bolt lift, appeared to shave some off the outside rim of the base and cracked approx. half way around the case.

I've exrpienced this one before with the 130gr Corelokt Reloads.

Obviously there is a few things that can be of issue here.......

But for now is it Safe to shoot the remaining 3 rounds of this without much problem to ones Safety and 2ndly my Dear rifle?


I'l fill in details later but im running out of Day light so thought I would ask the Gurus first, an discuss later

thanks
WL
 
Also, Does this mean I should have my Rifle taken to a Gunsmith to have it fixed up in regards to Excessive headspace?

Thanks
WL
 
Think ya right Eagleye! I thought I had it ok but its obviously not!

Brass around 5-6 times thru development too. I'l re adjust that die a bit an make a dummy to see when it wont chamber an back off a tad from there?

WL
 
WL, Methinks you need to adjust your FL sizing die so as not to push that shoulder back when you FL size those cases.

Dave.

Dave has hit the nail on the head. You do NOT need to full length size those cases and push the shoulder back at each re-sizing.
 
Think ya right Eagleye! I thought I had it ok but its obviously not!

Brass around 5-6 times thru development too. I'l re adjust that die a bit an make a dummy to see when it wont chamber an back off a tad from there?

WL

WL, That is right! Back off your die till it does not size the case enough to chamber. Then move it down a bit at a time until you can close the bolt with just a "hint" of feel on a sized case.

Now you are ready to use that brass over, and over, and over again without the separation issue.

I have some 6mm Remington brass here that has been reloaded 14 times with full-house loads....no problems at all.

Regards, Dave.
 
I have some 6mm Remington brass here that has been reloaded 14 times with full-house loads....no problems at all.
Regards, Dave.

I can beat that because I use a $100.00 dollar bent paper clip calibrated in thousandths to check my cases and prevent them from thinning and I have gotten 32 reloading from .303 British cases.

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Sorry Eagleye, I just wanted to make myself feel better about buying such an expensive paperclip. :evil:

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Will it work even without a Bullet in it mate? (eagleye)

heres a photo of a case I resized today, trimmed an fed into the rifle.. bolt closed no drama. ive marked where the Sizer die went down too on the neck. Does this mean I shouldn't be bumping shoulders?

Thanks
WL

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That's right. If that case chambers easily (with just a hint of "feel" on the last bit of bolt travel ) you do not have to bump the shoulder.. Cases sized like this last a long time.
 
Will it work even without a Bullet in it mate? (eagleye)

heres a photo of a case I resized today, trimmed an fed into the rifle.. bolt closed no drama. ive marked where the Sizer die went down too on the neck. Does this mean I shouldn't be bumping shoulders?

Thanks
WL

WL; Yes, that should be fine. However, if you find after 3 or 4 firings, the bolt gets hard to close on a loaded round, you may have to screw your sizing die down a bit at a time to eliminate [just barely eliminate] the snugness.

Regards, Dave.

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WhelanLad

Normally a case head split or separation does not do any damage to the chamber walls, and this happened all the time with the British .303 Enfield rifles and stuck case removers were issued to the troops when case head separations happened. In the photo I posted of the .308 case endurance a new Savage rifle was used and no damage occurred to the rifle.

Several things cause the cases to separate, the main reason is bumping or pushing the case shoulder back too far creating too much head clearance between the rear of the case and the bolt face.

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The firing pin pushes the case forward until the case contacts the shoulder of the chamber and the cartridge goes bang. As pressure builds up the primer is pushed out of the primer pocket, as the pressure builds further the case walls expand and grip the chamber walls. As the pressure reaches maximum it causes the brass to stretch to meet the bolt face. When the head clearance is too great the brass stretches and thins as it exceeds its yield strength and its ability to spring back to its original size.

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A second reason for case head separations is the manufacturing process when the base wall thickness is unequal and the case stretches on the thin side. Also how hard or thick the brass is in the base of the case varies between manufactures as you saw to the torture test above.

Below is a very good exaggerated illustration of full length resizing, and as you can see during sizing you can make a case longer than its fired length before the shoulder of the die begins to contact the shoulder of the case.
Setting the shoulder back or shoulder bump is adjusting the die to minimum shoulder bump for maximum case life as shown by the blue, red and green dotted lines.

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I like the die to contact the shell holder and have the press cam over during sizing so I use Redding shell holder sets that have different shell holder hights. In the photo below on the left the Redding shell holder is .004 taller than a standard shell holder. I also place rubber o-rings under the die lock ring that allows the die to float and self center in the press threads when the shell holder contacts the bottom of the die.

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As mention in thump_rrr posting a Hornady cartridge case headspace gauge allows you to measure your fired cases and then adjust your dies for minimum shoulder bump.

Below a ..223/5.56 case fired in one of my AR15 rifles.

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Below the same case after full length resizing and .003 shoulder bump.

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