Casting lead bullets

JasonYuke

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I am sure there are a few out here that cast there own lead bullets.
I now have 4 rifles in 458 caliber and am very intrested to start this my self, any hints tips or equipment type comments would be appreciated.
will be starting or want to start casts for 45/70 405 gr I do not have any molds or equipment as yet.
How does lee molds and lead pots stand up? seems to look ok to me.

2nd is ot cost effective, I do have a source for clean lead and plan on shooting alot.
3rd how do casts stand up are or is it easy to make uniform bullets and grs or is it easier to just buy them.
Thanks Jay
 
LEE stuff will get you into the casting game on the cheap. If you want top of the line gear that'll last your lifetime, get RCBS. The Pro-Melt pot is expensive, but its worth every penny and comes with a lifetime, no BS guarantee. They come up on eBay every now and then, sometimes for some very sweet prices. If money is a factor, you're probably better off going to a junk store, yard sale, etc...and picking up a cast iron cooking pot, dutch oven or bake pot. While you're there, look for a used Coleman camp stove (if you don't already have one) a stout stainless steel soup ladle and you're ready to start casting! I'd prefer this to buying a LEE pot.

Your best bet in moulds is to stick with the "top" brand names like H&G, SAECO, RCBS, Lyman. They're either iron or steel moulds that if cared for will last your lifetime. LEE moulds are made from aluminum, which, obviously, doesn't wear as well. However, they are much, much cheaper than the other brands. You might have to do a little tweaking to get one to drop bullets that are true "round".

Lee does make a pretty good luber/sizing kit that will work with any reloading press. This is much cheaper than buying a dedicated luber/sizer like the RCBS Lube-A-Matic II. It will size your bullets after which you can use the Lee Liquid Alox to lube the bullets by dumping the bullets and lube into a container, shaking them about until the bullets are coated with the mixture and then dump 'em out on wax paper to dry.

If you plan on casting for multiple calibers, a luber/sizer may be the way to go. If you go this route, you will also need to purchase the proper sizing die and top punch that fits the profile of the bullet you're casting. RCBS and Lyman make quality tools, as does SAECO and STAR.

The cheapest source of bullet metal is your local tire store. Used wheel weights make ideal bullet material and are usually free or available at a small fee. Pick yourself up an old round muffin tin to use as an ingot mould, a piece of candle, bacon grease, beeswax, bullet lube etc... the cast iron pot I mentioned earlier and dump in your wheel weights. Fire up the Coleman stove and in a little while the wheel weights will start to melt. Once they're all melted the dirt, grime and steel clips will start to float to the surface. Place a piece of the wax, bacon grease, etc... into the melt and stir the metal using your ladle. This fluxes the melt and causes impurities to float to the surface. Smoke will come from the melt, light a match or use a propane torch to ignite it. It will burn off very quickly. Skim off the dirt, clips, etc... and you'll be left with clean bullet material that's ready to be cast into ingots for later use, or you can start casting bullets right away! Keep an old towel or a bucket of water for dropping the warm bullets on to or into.

The Lyman handbook also tells you how to make your own alloys with different Brinell Hardness Numbers (BHN) that are suitable for different tasks. Local scrap metal dealers, printing shops, etc...may also be good sources of scrap lead, wheel weights or linotype. The latter is especially sought after, however, as computers are rapidly replacing the old set type printing presses, this is getting harder and more expensive to find.

It is recommended, however, that before starting to cast you get yourself a good cast bullet handbook like the one published by Lyman. Read and study it. Remember to ALWAYS were safety goggles/eye protection. Get yourself a pair of welders gloves or similar heavy duty leather work gloves. Always cast in a well ventilated area free of falling water/liquid or rain. A good face mask/breather is a good idea to keep you from inhaling any microscopic airborne lead particles. Its rare, but better safe than sorry. Its also a good idea to wear safety boots or at least nothing open toed, i.e., sandals while casting. Jeans, cotton long sleeve shirt are a good idea. Stay away from anything synthetic that can possible melt into your skin. Finally, when casting, make sure you keep all water, sweat or any liquids away from the melt. A single drop of water can cause a lead explosion that'll spray molten lead everywhere. It smarts when this happens!
 
JasonYuke....X-man gave you good advice.....my experience with the Lee Pots however has been good and I own three of them .....started with a 10#'er in the mid 80';s (still running strong) and have been using a 20# for the last ten year's or so as I needed more volume when I started casting .45 cal. bullets..also have a small one for pure lead softnose bullet casting........I have'nt used a RCBS 20#'er but I'm sure they are good just like their other products....
But consider this from Russells cat.
RCBS 20# = $429.99 ......LEE 20# = $109.99
Buy the LEE 20#'er pot and take the money you save and buy a STAR lubrasizer the best on the market that I have seen so far....My lyman 450 lubrasizer is micky mouse next to my STAR...you'll most likely need a .459 or .460 sizing die...depending on your rifles chamber,throat groove sizes....
On rendering down ww make sure they are dry if you dump them into the pot with already melted ww ... because if there is H2O in the ww clips the water will be taken below the surface of the melt rapidly turning to steam to cause an explosion....I have sprinkled drops on top of the melt and they just sizzle.....
these sites are the best I have found for bullet casters
www.castboolits.gunloads.com excellent forum just ask X-man
www.lasc.us/CastBulletNotes.htm lead alloy info and more
www.mountainmolds.com forum and design your own mold.
It has been written "Cast Bullets" are the true and rightous path too Shooting Bliss!.......have fun Jason .... :) ...mic
:arrow: almost forgot..WASH your hands after handling lead..
 
You're quite welcome Jason! Always a pleasure to welcome another "lead head" to the fold! :D Casting can get quite addictive! nrut has some good things to say as well. I've heard from some people that the LEE 20# casting furnace is more than decent. Later on, once you're gotten a little experience under your belt, you might want to give Dan from mountainmoulds a call. He does excellent work at very affordable prices. www.mountainmolds.com IMHO, better than LBT, and NEI these days (two smaller semi-custom bullet mould manufacturers).

Again, as nrut says, check out www.castboolits.gunloads.com Some of the guys on this forum have forgotten more about casting than most of us will ever know! Great bunch of guys, welcome mat is open and no flaming, the only stupid question is the one you don't ask!

Feeding that .458 will get a lot cheaper for you in some ways, but be prepared to start spending lots more on moulds for every caliber you shoot! I've got two .50 Cal ammo cans full now and I've sold at least a dozen in the past year! :mrgreen:

Also, keep your eye out at auction sites, yard sales, gun shops, etc...for a lead hardness tester. the SAECO is good as is the LBT hardness tester. LEE is producing an inedpensive one, but I haven't used that tool, so can't comment on it. The whole thing may sound a little daunting at first, but I can't express how much satisfaction you'll feel as the pile of good, useable bullets grow in that empty coffee can or tupperware container you filched from your wife.

You'd be amazed how fast your production can be with a multiple cavity "gang" mould. Even the LEE six cavity moulds can be tweaked to produce decent bullets! Their 6 Cav mould block handles are well made and with a little grinding can be made to fit RCBS, Lyman moulds, etc... at half the price of genuine RCBS, etc...mould handles! You'll find that us casters are a frugal bunch...so we can save money to spend on more guns and moulds! Heck, I even make my own bullet lube! :mrgreen:
 
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