Catalogue of Bent Type 81 M Rifles - T81M

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General consensus: community feels there’s no point to catalogue as so many are “bent”/misaligned. Based on feedback, some deviation is accepted as normal.

Users with iron sights probably won’t be adversely affected. Users who want to mount an optic on a “bent” T81 may not be able to accurately hold over after zeroing at a different distance. This is because most optic mounts for T81 attach to the receiver which is typically where the “bend” is.
 
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I bet like 1 in 3 Type 81Ms have a missaligned barrel thats easily visible with the naked eye. I bet very very few have a misaligned barrel greater then the 4mm TI threshold. And i bet quite literally ALL OF THEM will have some level of misalignment on some portion of the firearm... whether it be canted sights, gas blocks, dust covers, pistol grips, trigger guards, buttstocks, handguards, barrel ferrules.

Been dappling with these guns since 2017, and have NEVER seen a perfectly symmetrical one. People who say otherwise havent looked close enough let alone broke out the straight edge and calipers.

For anyone who's generally curious about the origins and correspondence of the "bent barrel" aka misaligned barrel trunnion phenomenon.. look no further then CGNr Dimitris posts in the "Type 81M range reports and modifications" thread. It is there where we can clearly see that the M models utilize the same style short front trunnion that the older Blonde and SE rifles used. Which were also infamous for having those issues. Yet for the LMGs and SRs, a longer different style front trunnion is used and they had virtually no misaligned trunnion issues. Coincidence? I think NOT.
 
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OP, you won't get answer on how many. And your assumptions that nature of the issue can be understood while collecting info about batch or serial or year are wrong. The nature of the issue has been beaten to death. It's well understood and not related to batch, serial or year. So there's no point in any kind of catalogue or registry.
 
BigRobb said:
It’s the tale as old as time. Those that were around for the very first batch of these rifles will remember them pretty much all bent and misaligned…
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Yep, had a side folder from the 2017 shipment had a “bent” barrel, pretty much the same as the pics I’ve seen from the new shipment. Got a fixed stock 81M from the latest shipment and the stock is bent the same as the 2017 fixed stock I bought as well at the time. My 81M underfolder is straight as far as my uncalipered measurements can tell. The 81 is what it is, a cheap Chinese rifle that is basically a luck of the draw purchase as far as QC goes. In my 7 years of ownership it goes bang every time and that’s all I want out of it.
 
chaoshydra said:
Mine looking down the bore is exactly like yours. Thank you for the measure and photo work. Mind I ask did you have any luck with the TI warranty?
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they dont do warranty under 4mm deviation, only 4mm and over. after you send pic of proof and send the rifle back (they will pay for shipping back). You will be offered, in the case of the M-fixed (sold out) full refund but in the case of M-UF (not sold out), a replacement or full refund (no guarantee the replacement wouldnt also be bent). your pick.
 
Jesus.C said:
https://imgur.com/a/0Q8N0Bx

Mine 2.3mm deviation to the right
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I did my measurement again using high power magnets as spacer block and clamp to stick the gun to a straight steel beam on my work bench and tried to hold caliper square and straight. The difference per-side is 8mm plus so deviation to centerline is 4mm+. Multiple measurements, used another clamping method to verify as well.

Again, the image down bore is very similar to you and just check back see if yours is indeed out of spec.
 
scianna54 said:
I cannot see why this would make any sense, other than a newbie trying to achieve something, not sure what it is.
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No alterior motives…just thought it would be interesting to see if there is correlation, like to see if someone is more or less likely to get a severely misaligned gun from one batch or another. Those who buy used guns could find that information useful.
 
chaoshydra said:
I did my measurement again using high power magnets as spacer block and clamp to stick the gun to a straight steel beam on my work bench and tried to hold caliper square and straight. The difference per-side is 8mm plus so deviation to centerline is 4mm+. Multiple measurements, used another clamping method to verify as well.

Again, the image down bore is very similar to you and just check back see if yours is indeed out of spec.
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Did the test again, same result. If 2.3 is driving me crazy, I cant imagine how crook 3.5mm mmust look
 
Curtton said:
they dont do warranty under 4mm deviation, only 4mm and over. after you send pic of proof and send the rifle back (they will pay for shipping back). You will be offered, in the case of the M-fixed (sold out) full refund but in the case of M-UF (not sold out), a replacement or full refund (no guarantee the replacement wouldnt also be bent). your pick.
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Case in progress, slightly different prospectives...

Initiated warranty process with TI, can confirm 4mm deviation threshold (which is CRAZY!). It's over 4mm in my case, however after receiving the rifle back they are offering replacement only (UF). Since they can't guarantee the quality (=straight) rifle, I requested full refund. Not so fast! I've been told 20% restocking + 3% Credit card surcharge. Seriously?

Miscommunication within TI? I asked several question, no explanations so far.

Waiting for clarification as I type this.
 
Stranger said:
Case in progress, slightly different prospectives...

Initiated warranty process with TI, can confirm 4mm deviation threshold (which is CRAZY!). It's over 4mm in my case, however after receiving the rifle back they are offering replacement only (UF). Since they can't guarantee the quality (=straight) rifle, I requested full refund. Not so fast! I've been told 20% restocking + 3% Credit card surcharge. Seriously?

Miscommunication within TI? I asked several question, no explanations so far.

Waiting for clarification as I type this.
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thats far from "slightly",lol . hope it aint true.
 
A BS way to run a business if you ask me. You received what they define as a defect and that shouldn't cost you a penny IMO.
 
Stranger said:
Case in progress, slightly different prospectives...

Initiated warranty process with TI, can confirm 4mm deviation threshold (which is CRAZY!). It's over 4mm in my case, however after receiving the rifle back they are offering replacement only (UF). Since they can't guarantee the quality (=straight) rifle, I requested full refund. Not so fast! I've been told 20% restocking + 3% Credit card surcharge. Seriously?

Miscommunication within TI? I asked several question, no explanations so far.

Waiting for clarification as I type this.
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I believe they legally (according to their terms and conditions) have the right to repair, replace or refund at THEIR discretion. There was a guy in the TI thread with a bent/misaligned fixed stock 81M and because they ran out of replacements, they offered his money back.

Note that as a business, it is cheaper to substitute the product VS give people their money back. Probably why they are trying to go this route with you rather than accommodate your concern by whatever means necessary.
 
Murray 3-D said:
A BS way to run a business if you ask me. You received what they define as a defect and that shouldn't cost you a penny IMO.
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It’s technically in their terms and conditions that they can refuse refund and only offer replacement at their discretion…just most companies would prioritize customer satisfaction higher than pure profit.
 
Murray 3-D said:
A BS way to run a business if you ask me. You received what they define as a defect and that shouldn't cost you a penny IMO.
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I agree. Restocking fee for the gun that's defective and shouldn't be put BACK in stock? Are they planning to sell it again?

Tactical Imports however insists on sending me a "straight" (within their 4mm rule) rifle as the only outcome unless I want to eat 23% losses.

Get it? Company policy - No refund! I have it in writing.

The communication with TI deserves its own thread and it's not about quality of the guns they sell...
 
Stranger said:
I agree. Restocking fee for the gun that's defective and shouldn't be put BACK in stock? Are they planning to sell it again?

Tactical Imports however insists on sending me a "straight" (within their 4mm rule) rifle as the only outcome unless I want to eat 23% losses.

Get it? Company policy - No refund! I have it in writing.

The communication with TI deserves its own thread and it's not about quality of the guns they sell...
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TI says the restocking fee is to cover order processing, packing and logistics expenses. Remember, these guys (in my view) prioritize profits over all else. So if they are giving you your money back, best believe they are gonna want their money back for processing your order. Even though I would bet TI gets fully reimbursed for any defective rifles, from the Chinese.

In regards to communication, don’t forget that this is the same company who delayed hundreds of orders by weeks so they could snail mail transfer the accessories that you bought as IN STOCK item - and didn’t notify anyone of this until after we asked what’s taking so long…they could have kept everyone happy by sending the guns out and then notifying each customer that their accessories would ship separately for free. But instead they held everything back.

Why? I think it’s because they were too cheap to send out 2 packages despite it being their own problem…and then they were seemingly too cheap to pay someone to reach out to all the purchasers to let them know.

After all that, they want more of your money. w:h:

Your experience may vary, but that’s what I have seen…
 
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