Changing upper receiver and re-classification?

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I have a Daniel Defense 18", and I'm looking to get another upper receiver (11.5")

Would be nice to have enough $$$ and buy the whole thing , but for now is not possible. The idea is to have the 18" with a scope, and the 11.5 with a red dot.

My question is, would I have to re-classify? or how does that work?

I saw another thread of someone ordering the same 11.5 rifle form wolverine supplies, so I imagine is legal here.
 
Your registration has the barrel length on it so as long as you only put your new upper on it when you were using it then put the 18" back on when transporting and storing you shouldn't have to reregister.
 
The lower receiver is the registered part. Many people (me included) have 2, 3 or 4 uppers and only have 1 lower.

Buy the second upper and enjoy it and no need to swap back uppers in order to match the registrations at the end of the day... that seems like a ridiculous idea
 
Conditions

4 (1) Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar, within 30 days after the modification, of

(a) any modification to the firearm that results in a change of class of the firearm;

(b) in the case of a firearm registered as a frame or receiver only, any modification that makes it capable of discharging ammunition;

(c) any modification to an altered automatic firearm; and

(d) any modification that results in the firearm ceasing to be a firearm.

(2) Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that when the type, action, calibre or gauge of the firearm is modified, the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar of the modification,

(a) if the modification is intended to be permanent, within 30 days after the modification; and

(b) if the modification is not intended to be permanent but still exists 30 days after it is made, without delay after that period.
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-201/page-1.html#h-7

Shawn
 
DT741 said:
The lower receiver is the registered part. Many people (me included) have 2, 3 or 4 uppers and only have 1 lower.

Buy the second upper and enjoy it and no need to swap back uppers in order to match the registrations at the end of the day... that seems like a ridiculous idea
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Hopefully you have the lower registered with one of the uppers.
 
Rhythm & Soul said:
I have a Daniel Defense 18", and I'm looking to get another upper receiver (11.5")

Would be nice to have enough $$$ and buy the whole thing , but for now is not possible. The idea is to have the 18" with a scope, and the 11.5 with a red dot.

My question is, would I have to re-classify? or how does that work?

I saw another thread of someone ordering the same 11.5 rifle form wolverine supplies, so I imagine is legal here.
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The lower is the registered piece of the firearm, not the upper. Since AR type rifles are restricted by name, the class of the firearm doesn't change when the barrel length is changed by the addition of a new upper and barrel, neither does it do anything else that requires a change to the registration certificate. Should you change the barrel out of the original upper, then you'd likely have to change the registration certificate because that would be a permanent change under the law.

What Shawn posted above is really intended for firearms that were a)registered as non-restricted (bad old LGR-doesn't exist anymore) and b)had the barrel chopped to shorter than 18.5" or 470mm. We don't have the old LGR anymore, so it's really a moot point UNLESS you're going to a prohibited barrel length on a pistol - in which case you won't be issued a registration certificate because it's illegal to convert a restricted firearm to a prohibited one (unless you're military/LEO).

So to answer your question R&S, yes, what you want to do is legal and requires no change in the registration certificate.
 
shredder said:
The lower is the registered piece of the firearm, not the upper. Since AR type rifles are restricted by name, the class of the firearm doesn't change when the barrel length is changed by the addition of a new upper and barrel, neither does it do anything else that requires a change to the registration certificate. Should you change the barrel out of the original upper, then you'd likely have to change the registration certificate because that would be a permanent change under the law.

What Shawn posted above is really intended for firearms that were a)registered as non-restricted (bad old LGR-doesn't exist anymore) and b)had the barrel chopped to shorter than 18.5" or 470mm. We don't have the old LGR anymore, so it's really a moot point UNLESS you're going to a prohibited barrel length on a pistol - in which case you won't be issued a registration certificate because it's illegal to convert a restricted firearm to a prohibited one (unless you're military/LEO).

So to answer your question R&S, yes, what you want to do is legal and requires no change in the registration certificate.
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Might want to re-read what I posted, as you are wrong. It is intended for any registration certificate issued by the CFC.

Changing the barrel on the original upper is not the only thing that requires reporting.

Shawn
 
As someone who doesn't store his lower with an upper attached. I'm curious where my lower/uppers fall into this as they're never a complete functioning firearm for any longer than a range trip.
 
If it is registered as a receiver only 4(1)(b) - You have 30 days after installing an upper for the first time to call and register it.

If it is already registered as a complete firearm 4(2)(b) - You have to register a change in upper ONLY if it is for longer than 30 days.
 
I came across this a while ago so I just asked the CFO about it and this was the email they sent me.

Good day,

For registration purpose we need to have a make, model and serial number that are in general, except for the serial that is always, on the receiver/frame. This is the registered and controlled part and as such all other parts or assembly are accessories to the “firearm”.

In the case of the AR platform and pistol, it is the ease at which you can separate the receiver/frame from its other assembly making the non-registered parts none controlled by registration and ATT.

If you are changing, calibre or barrel length you should make a “Change of Description” on the RCMP form 5547 to reflect a permanent change. If you intent to keep/have 2 or 3 upper assembly you have no obligation to register all, you should have the most restrictive by barrel length registered.

Attach below is the link to the Canadian Firearms Program question and answer that define what is a “Firearm”.

Hope this is what you are looking for reference.

Regards

So basically have the shortest barrel on the registration.
 
Personally I would register it as 20". Because if it is ever taken off the "restricted by name" list, you are most likely still gonna need a barrel length over 18.5" to make it NR. If you register it with a 7.5" it'll be restricted forever and you will need a new lower for NR lengths. There is no way for them to know you have a 20" on there or not. If they want pics borrow a 20" upper or buy one of the dominions from CanAm they are pretty sweet.
 
FallenShadow80 said:
I came across this a while ago so I just asked the CFO about it and this was the email they sent me.

Good day,

For registration purpose we need to have a make, model and serial number that are in general, except for the serial that is always, on the receiver/frame. This is the registered and controlled part and as such all other parts or assembly are accessories to the “firearm”.

In the case of the AR platform and pistol, it is the ease at which you can separate the receiver/frame from its other assembly making the non-registered parts none controlled by registration and ATT.

If you are changing, calibre or barrel length you should make a “Change of Description” on the RCMP form 5547 to reflect a permanent change. If you intent to keep/have 2 or 3 upper assembly you have no obligation to register all, you should have the most restrictive by barrel length registered.

Attach below is the link to the Canadian Firearms Program question and answer that define what is a “Firearm”.

Hope this is what you are looking for reference.

Regards

So basically have the shortest barrel on the registration.
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Given that the gun is restricted by name - no barrel length is more restrictive than any other. More holes in the legal Swiss cheese we know and love as the Firearms Act.
 
shawn said:
Might want to re-read what I posted, as you are wrong. It is intended for any registration certificate issued by the CFC.

Changing the barrel on the original upper is not the only thing that requires reporting.

Shawn
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That's not what the AB CFO told me. What I posted is just about verbatim from a conversation I had with the AB CFO's office 3 years ago.
 
greywolf67nt said:
Your registration has the barrel length on it so as long as you only put your new upper on it when you were using it then put the 18" back on when transporting and storing you shouldn't have to reregister.
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That's what I might end up doing.
Thanks everyone for your advice.
 
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