CIL Ammo

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Not sure if this has been covered before. But CIL loaded a lot of ammo that was strictly Canadian. Bigger round nose bullets for everything. Do you think they new something we didn't? You don't need a Barne's ### bullet to kill a moose. You need something with shock value. Anyone know the full story on CIL? I'm still reloading CIL shotshells from the 70's amazing longevity.
 
heavy for caliber bullets at moderate velocity = deep penetration. when you get deep penetration with expansion, it kills real good.

what a Barnes X bullet does is penetrate as deep as a very heavy bullet, while giving you all the advantages of a light bullet.
 
Win/64 said:
Not sure if this has been covered before. But CIL loaded a lot of ammo that was strictly Canadian. Bigger round nose bullets for everything. Do you think they new something we didn't? You don't need a Barne's ### bullet to kill a moose. You need something with shock value. Anyone know the full story on CIL? I'm still reloading CIL shotshells from the 70's amazing longevity.
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Could you explain "shock value" and how it pertains to killing animals (with regard to the bullets you describe?)
 
Gatehouse said:
Could you explain "shock value" and how it pertains to killing animals (with regard to the bullets you describe?)
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Todd Bartell is right read above. Except the larger bullet still has more shock value."Shock value" Just as an example have you ever shot a high velocity .177 caliber pellet gun (1,000 fps) at a tin can? Pellet will go right through it without moving the can. Shoot the same can with a .22 pellet travelling at 600-750fps. The same can will still have a hole threw it but you will see it fly in the air.
 
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CIL had some very innovative bullets back then. Bronze-tip expanding, nylon tipped Sabretips, a hollowpoint for CF, and a non-expanding metal tip for .30/30 (reduce pelt damage). Not to mention those great big soft points.
 
Some I'm sure was intelligent application - some intelligent marketing !

The old .270 loads for moose ( 170 gr., IIRC ) worked very well ... but weren't so reliable on deer. And the old purple Imperial 1-1/4 oz duck loads, worked very well ... but some just liked that incredibly high brass base
( we've seen a brass base isn't even required ! ) and that nice royalm (Imperial) purple colour were enough to sell loads of them.

Jack Barnes was also a devotee of the heavy for caliber school ... and some of the Barnes "Original" line fit that line of thinking.

Can't help but believe though, that proper bullet construction is more important than that extra 10 or 20 grains of bullet weight ... if the heavier bullet doesn't perform properly !
 
Win/64 said:
Bigger round nose bullets for everything. Do you think they new something we didn't? You don't need a Barne's ### bullet to kill a moose.
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Yea .... they knew that they didn't have the custom bullets that we enjoy today, so they loaded heavier bullets with thicker jackets at slower velocities for bigger game.

I kinda like the old school "heavy RN bullet", but one cannot argue with the results from lighter modern bullets either.


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Who is Jack Barnes? Is this Fred Barnes the old bullet maker's brother or something?

CIL made some good and interesting stuff. Remember Whizz-bangs and .22 tracers? They made unusual stuff as well as a wide line of cartridges. It was nice having a Canadian ammo and bullet maker too. We are pretty lacking in that department now.
 
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Win/64 said:
Todd Bartell is right read above. Except the larger bullet still has more shock value."Shock value" Just as an example have you ever shot a high velocity .177 caliber pellet gun (1,000 fps) at a tin can? Pellet will go right through it without moving the can. Shoot the same can with a .22 pellet travelling at 600-750fps. The same can will still have a hole threw it but you will see it fly in the air.
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So....we are talking about tin cans now?:confused:
 
I bought a lot of 200 CIL .30cal 220gr RN at a gun show a few years back.Thank you for the reminder on CIL.After a bit of digging I found them and now Im gonna load some Bear rounds for my 30-06 to see how they perform.They look pretty stout.

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Blue CIL half brass shotshells 12 gauge "Imperials" and ".303" 180 grain sabretips brought a great deal of food to the table as I was growing up. They seemed magical to me as a young boy. I remember seeing them around the house all the time. I couldn't wait to be old enough to go hunting with my father. He took me out when I was pretty young. The name CIL brings back fond memories of my childhood and youth
regards
Dan
 
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Ive got two unopened boxes of 2 3/4 Imperial 000 buck.
I was going to just blast it off but thought I'd keep it for posterity after I saw the CIL label, intermixed with carton other ammo I came by.

Does it actually have any collector value ?
 
samdunc said:
Blue CIL half brass shotshells 12 gauge "Imperials" and ".303" 180 grain sabretips brought a great deal of food to the table as I was growing up. They seemed magical to me as a young boy. I remember seeing them around the house all the time. I couldn't wait to be old enough to go hunting with my father. He took me out when I was pretty young. The name CIL brings back fond memories of my childhood and youth
regards
Dan
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Just the kinda of post I was lookin for.
 
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