Clarification on more than 10 round magazines for Ruger SR 22

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Finally just taken delivery of my Ruger SR 22, and am confused as to whether Ruger's 25 round mag is legal or not in Canada? There seems to be some confusion over whether it has to be pinned to take only 10 rounds?
Could somebody please clear this up for me?
Thank you
 
Does anyone have any documentation or a link to an RCMP notice banning the 25-round mags? I've haven't seen or read any confirmation myself; just comments here on CGN.

Found it:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

It's just the magazines made by Ruger; they are a prohibited device unless limited to 10rnd capacity. Butler Creek, Archangel, etc. all seem uneffected.
Apparently Prophet River put out a bulletin that all 10/22 mags over 10rnds are prohibited now. Not sure where this is coming from. It was quoted on another site, not directly from them, so maybe just unfounded rumours
Loads of sites still selling 25-100rnd mags made by companies other than Ruger.
There was another thread a little while ago saying the Archangel/Promag 9-22 mags were also banned but I can't find anything to support that.
 
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Seems that LUTNIT's link answers my question...but Weasel1 says they're good to go.....hmmmmm.....now I AM confused. I think I'll stick with what it says in the link.
Thanks guys.
 
trooper1954 said:
Seems that LUTNIT's link answers my question...but Weasel1 says they're good to go.....hmmmmm.....now I AM confused. I think I'll stick with what it says in the link.
Thanks guys.
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Which says if the mags are designed by the manufacturer for a pistol and rifle, then they are limited to ten.

If just a rifle, then no limit for rimfire mags.

It is case by case. Some mags made by ruger are advertised for both handgun and pistol, so they are limited. Some after market mags are only advertised for rifles, so no limit applies.

Yes it is confusing.
 
Magazine classification has nothing to do with which firearms it is used-in. It only has to do with magazine capacity regardless of the gun it's used-in. Your 10-round 40 Cal magazine takes 14 rounds of 9mm ammo and it's perfectly legal to load it in a 9mm pistol and shoot the rounds...G22...G17.
 
Also learned by reading that site that if a centre-fire pistol magazine is marketed and advertised for both a pistol and a rifle it is limited by the 5-round limit for rifles. There was the one Hi-Point example on the site talking about that. Generally pistol magazines aren't directly marketed for rifles by the manufacturer even if there are rifles that fit them.

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Gotta love our gun laws that make perfect, logical sense.
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I'm wondering if a judge has ever made a ruling on the dual use mags. As far as I can tell, there is no provision in law for a magazine that was designed for a rimfire rifle and a rimfire pistol. The RCMP has made the interpretation that if it's designed for a rifle and a pistol, then we treat it as though it were designed for a pistol. That's not law, that's the RCMP talking. One can just as easily make the argument that a magazine designed for use in a rifle and a pistol, was designed for use in a rifle. Yeah, it was designed for use in a pistol too, but so what?

If I win the $50 million I'll test that in court. :) There should be a way to get a judge to rule on these ambiguities in law without putting oneself in jeopardy of a criminal conviction.
 
Has anyone attempted to print this page off ?
I just tried 3 times and it sits there doing nothing...
so I figured it was my router(I have a wireless printer)
I grabbed a small amount of text from your post , stuck it into notepad...and go figure it printed simple as can be.
But it will not print the page that you linked, even after setting up a print preview...


LUTNIT said:
Does anyone have any documentation or a link to an RCMP notice banning the 25-round mags? I've haven't seen or read any confirmation myself; just comments here on CGN.

Found it:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

It's just the magazines made by Ruger; they are a prohibited device unless limited to 10rnd capacity. Butler Creek, Archangel, etc. all seem uneffected.
Apparently Prophet River put out a bulletin that all 10/22 mags over 10rnds are prohibited now. Not sure where this is coming from. It was quoted on another site, not directly from them, so maybe just unfounded rumours
Loads of sites still selling 25-100rnd mags made by companies other than Ruger.
There was another thread a little while ago saying the Archangel/Promag 9-22 mags were also banned but I can't find anything to support that.
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Edit, I set up my camera and was recording what was happening..I must have frightened it hahaha...printed it right away....:confused::d
 
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as someone else said the mags have nothing to do with what they are used in just what they are tested and marketed for:
- ruger BX25 mags are prohib because they were tested and marketed for use in the 10/22 variants as well as the charger pistol. the charger pistol caused the issue.
- there were some BX25a mags which were only tested and advertised for use in the rifles but they were never brought here from what i believe.
- the BX25x2 mags are also prohib because they are just two BX25 mags essentially taped together
- the HC3R, BC, TI, etc mags are all non-restricted because the companies which produced them did not test or advertise them for anything other than 10/22 use
- centerfire rifle mags are limited to 5 rounds. however, there are some 9mm conversion kits which use pistol mags. the centerfire pistol mags are limited to 10 rounds. so with the conversion kits (and even some factory guns) you can use a 10 round mag in a centerfire rifle. you can do that because, once again, the pistol mags were never tested or intended for use in the rifle.
- the 5.56 NATO mags are limited to 5 rounds. the .50 beowulf mags are limited to 5 rounds. you can cram 13 rounds of 5.56 nato into the same space as 5 beowulf rounds. because the beowulf mags were never tested or intended to be used with 5.56 rounds you are not limiting magazine restrictions. ... but i wouldnt store it that way just in case someone doesnt know the nuances of firearm law.

its all a giant PR game. for instance with the beowulf example. if the RCMP specifically stated that doing that was legal it would make news. there would be public backlash. it would probably turn out poorly for us. however, if the RCMP releases a notice saying that "the legality of the firearm accessory in question is determined solely by the tested and intended use of the manufacturer and the RCMP at the time of import. also,any use of the item by the owner is valid so long as the conditions previously stated are maintained at all times." the obscure two sntences i just typed contain the following information when applied to the beowulf mags:
1) firearm accessory in question is the 5 round beowulf mag.
2) it was tested, manufactured, and imported for use with .50 beowulf rounds to a limit of 5
3) your use of the mag as owner is to load 5.56 NATO rounds instead of the intended rounds.
4) this is a legal use so long as the conditions 1) and 2) are not changed. ie. so long as you are able to load a maximum of 5 rounds of beowulf in the mag.

minor modifications to improve feeding and perhaps fit (which is sometimes necessary in this example) is also still valid so long as 4) is still met.

compare the two headlines "RCMP makes 13 round assault rifle clips legal by loophole" and "asldhjalskjsa i have no idea what they are even saying askldjasjlak". kind of explains why the RCMP does the things they do.
TLDR
intent is all that matters. reality doesnt matter at all. everything has been confirmed by the RCMP. you need to read between the lines. they will never say that 25 round mags are legal. they will just say that in specific situations they are not illegal.

welcome to canada. now leave your logic at the door.
 
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