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I think That he was getting at using the washing machine and not a tumbler at all.
Cleaning brass in the washing machine
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I think That he was getting at using the washing machine and not a tumbler at all.
My gosh, you sure like to cuss. I would say your poor language does much more harm to the gunnutz members than anything I said.
By the way, what is your chemistry background? Just curious.
What is the lead residue that would be found in the laundrymat machine from cleaning rifle shell casings?
Lead poisoning is a serious issue. One must be realistic in terms of sources and amounts of lead exposure. A great overview of the effects of lead on children and adults can be found on the website of emedicinehealth (http://www.emedicinehealth.com/lead_poisoning-health/article_em.htm)
Another source of information from Health Canada:
Health Canada considers lead levels in your blood below 10 micrograms per decilitre safe. If levels rise above 25, doctors will monitor them. At about 40, treatment becomes necessary to reduce the lead load in the body.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2009/09/17/f-lead-exposure-children-safe-levels.html
Also with regards to chronic poisoning:
9.2.3 Skin exposure
Not relevant.
9.2.4 Eye contact
Not relevant.
http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/chemical/inorglea.htm#SubSectionTitle:7.2.5 Acceptable daily intake (ADI) and other guideline levels
Lead from shell casing is not recognized as a source of lead for chronic lead poisoning.
I prefer to be informed rather than shooting from the hip (no pun intended) when making comments.
Thanks for an excellent post 6mm. There is so much nonsense published about lead poisoning these days, it is refreshing to see some valid information for a change.
Two years ago, I asked my doctor if I should be tested for lead poisoning. He actually laughed when I told him why I was concerned, that I might be exposed through handloading, especially from the dust generated in polishing brass, decapping primers, handling lead bullets, etc.
He ordered the test anyway. The results were barely detectable levels, and I am not to worry about it again unless I am standing over the tumbler, BREATHING IN THE DUST AS I EMPTY THE TUMBLER BOWL FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
Ted
Two years ago, I asked my doctor if I should be tested for lead poisoning. He actually laughed when I told him why I was concerned, that I might be exposed through handloading, especially from the dust generated in polishing brass, decapping primers, handling lead bullets, etc.
He ordered the test anyway. The results were barely detectable levels, and I am not to worry about it again unless I am standing over the tumbler, BREATHING IN THE DUST AS I EMPTY THE TUMBLER BOWL FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
Ted
If you are informed then you would know this:
1. You assumed that the only harmful substance involved is lead. Many substances in fired primer residue (including some compounds that contain lead) are more dangerous than lead itself. The actual substances involved vary dependant on the primers used.
2. Regardless of your attempt to divert the issue with a useless diatribe on the properties of lead (a blatant cut and paste
), you failed to address the major criticism. That being that it was arrogant and selfish for you to say it is OK to subject unknowing persons to possible exposure to harmful substances, and to suggest that this is acceptable because that is the chance that people take when they use public laundromats. You should be ashamed of that statement. If you don't know why, I can't explain it to you. 3. Since you have questioned my education, let me point out that there is no laundry mat involved unless you were talking about the rug on the floor in front of the washing machine. Your earlier complaints about the other gentleman's spelling may have been inappropriate because apparently there are some holes in your education as well.
4. You don't need to send me any more PMs about this subject. You screwed up, accept it or not but quit acting like a spoiled brat.
Rant over. OK - you said something stupid and you got kicked in the ass for it. That's life - it happens. Stop trying to justify it. Hopefully you're not really like that, you just said something without thinking. Happens to everyone sometime. It's only a problem if you find yourself choking on your own foot on a regular basis.
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If you are informed then you would know this:
1. You assumed that the only harmful substance involved in cartridge residue is lead. Many substances in fired primer residue (including some that contain lead) are more dangerous than lead. Some of those possible substances are quite harmful, dependant on the primers used.
2. Regardless of your posturing and attempt to divert the issue with a worthless diatribe on the properties of lead (a blatant cut and paste
3. Since you have questioned my education, let me point out that there is no laundry mat involved unless you were talking about the rug on the floor in the laundromat. Your earlier complaints about the other gentleman's spelling may have been inappropriate because apparently there are some holes in your education as well.
4. You don't need to send me any more PMs about this subject. You screwed up, accept it or not but quit acting like a spoiled brat.
Rant over. OK - you said something stupid without thinking and somebody kicked your ass for it. It happens. Let it go, and maybe think about what made you say something so stupid.
Wow do I feel owned!! It is amazing how big your internet genetilia is. Such tough talk - compensating are we?
I forgot who has this tagline in their messages, but if I remember close enough:
When you argue with an idiot your bring yourself down to their level. Then they beat you up with their experience as an idiot. Jet Hunter you sure beat me up!
Enough said.
I didn't read this entire thread so I'm sorry if this has been covered already.
I have spotless brass ocd as well so what I do is the sonic cleaner method. Its a hunded bucks to get going and I use vinagar,water and dish soap as the cleaning agent. when they are done the are 100% carbon free. Takes about 24 minutes to do 20 large rifle cases. I went this way instead of s/s pin tumbling just because of price but that is a great method of cleaning inside cases as well.
Brass cases have no business being in the washing machine. And to the op, if you cant afford to clean your brass properly you cant afford to be in the precision shooting game, as this is the only place this would possibly matter anyway.
I have spotless brass ocd as well so what I do is the sonic cleaner method. Its a hunded bucks to get going and I use vinagar,water and dish soap as the cleaning agent. when they are done the are 100% carbon free. Takes about 24 minutes to do 20 large rifle cases. I went this way instead of s/s pin tumbling just because of price but that is a great method of cleaning inside cases as well.
Brass cases have no business being in the washing machine. And to the op, if you cant afford to clean your brass properly you cant afford to be in the precision shooting game, as this is the only place this would possibly matter anyway.
However, the point is precision shooters do not worry about cleaning the inside of their brass.
Ted
really
I'm new to this site and forum, is this manner of bickering normal to this program? I mean really, is grammer and spelling really a concern on a firearms site? Or is this just a juvenile attemp at oneupmenship? I think it has been agreed that laundering brass is a poor idea and an even poorer idea in a public facility, for all the aforementioned concerns, valid or imagined !!!
AND no one has answered my question of why, does it make any difference to accuracy or anything else if the brass is cleaner on the inside than what a regular tumbler or vibratory cleaner gets them? I have never heard of this and I know a couple of bench boys who do not concern themselves THAT much with the inside of the cases once they have prepped them for shooting.
I'm new to this site and forum, is this manner of bickering normal to this program? I mean really, is grammer and spelling really a concern on a firearms site? Or is this just a juvenile attemp at oneupmenship? I think it has been agreed that laundering brass is a poor idea and an even poorer idea in a public facility, for all the aforementioned concerns, valid or imagined !!!
AND no one has answered my question of why, does it make any difference to accuracy or anything else if the brass is cleaner on the inside than what a regular tumbler or vibratory cleaner gets them? I have never heard of this and I know a couple of bench boys who do not concern themselves THAT much with the inside of the cases once they have prepped them for shooting.
I'm not arguing whether or not the inside of the case needs to be clean. I actually go beyond a simple tumbler to get the primer pockets clean without using a tool to scrape it off. The point is there are ways of doing it properly if one is so inclined. Lets just face it, the washing machine idea is laughable at best.
Wow do I feel owned!! It is amazing how big your internet genetilia is. Such tough talk - compensating are we?
I forgot who has this tagline in their messages, but if I remember close enough:
When you argue with an idiot your bring yourself down to their level. Then they beat you up with their experience as an idiot. Jet Hunter you sure beat me up!
Enough said.
Wow.
How many days did it take you to research lead poisoning and respond, only to find out lead poisoning is irrelevant to the conversation and you made yourself look foolish on top of your previous effort which made you look ignorant and selfish for attempting to justify something that is just plain wrong. Even you think so obviously, since you take great pains to avoid the subject.
I even gave you an out in my last post - said everybody puts their foot in it occasionally. But you would rather act like a 8 year old. Nice horse pooping emoticon - that's intelligent debate!! How old are you and who is stooping to which level?? You're amazing actually - but poisoning people at a public laundromat (not the rug) is still not acceptable - and until you can explain that you still lose. Sorry.
"Enough said". Har-har. You're killing me, I haven't laughed like this since grade three. Please do it again!?
brass
The build up from one shot, will change your group size, slightly smaller case capicity = higher pressure higher vel .
The build up from one shot, will change your group size, slightly smaller case capicity = higher pressure higher vel .
cdn shooter
I get your point, which is not WHY do it, the point is he does it because he wants to and it makes him all warm and fuzzy. Your point is do it responsibly, Gotcha !! I weigh brass for one of my rifles to +/- .5 gn and I've been told I'm an idiot for doing this, makes no diff but I still do it cause I WANT to !!!
I get your point, which is not WHY do it, the point is he does it because he wants to and it makes him all warm and fuzzy. Your point is do it responsibly, Gotcha !! I weigh brass for one of my rifles to +/- .5 gn and I've been told I'm an idiot for doing this, makes no diff but I still do it cause I WANT to !!!
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A couple of years ago John Y Cannuck posted this:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338491
One of the things I took away from that thread is the following technique for cleaning cases, which I use, and do about 1000 cases in an hour. I do about 200 at a time, 10 minutes or so per batch.
The simplest dry cleaning technique is to wrap about @300 9mm cases in a bath towel. (Too many or too few do not work nearly as well.) Make a rattail and roll the towel around on the floor with medium hand pressure for about five minutes and inspect. If they look pretty clean, you can stop; if not, keep going. If you are patient, you can actually clean cases pretty effectively this way. Remember to shake the crud out of the towel each time you check the cases.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338491
One of the things I took away from that thread is the following technique for cleaning cases, which I use, and do about 1000 cases in an hour. I do about 200 at a time, 10 minutes or so per batch.
The simplest dry cleaning technique is to wrap about @300 9mm cases in a bath towel. (Too many or too few do not work nearly as well.) Make a rattail and roll the towel around on the floor with medium hand pressure for about five minutes and inspect. If they look pretty clean, you can stop; if not, keep going. If you are patient, you can actually clean cases pretty effectively this way. Remember to shake the crud out of the towel each time you check the cases.
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Hey you inventor guys back off. I like it the way it is. No motor, no media, no noise, no dust. The ultimate KISS method.
