Cleaning the bore on the VZ 58 (rust still in corner of rifling)

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I have been trying to get the rust out of my barrel for a while now, and It seems to have al come out, exceptin the corner edges of the rifling. I jut can't seem to get the rust removed from there.
I scrub and scub with my bore brush and nothing seems to work. I oil after every cleaning aswell but 3 days later there is rust again on the rifling edges.
How do I get that crap out for the edges? I use a bore brush and solvant and just giv'er when I'm scrubing. But no dice!

Whats going on and how do I do this. Short of taking my bore brush and attaching the arm to a drill and going at it that way (probably ot the best idea either) I can't think of any other way.

Help??
 
a small amount of rust will always be there now. if your shooting corrosive ammo use hot water to clean it with first then clean it like normal.
 
Get a soapy water solution in small container. Dish washer and water. Dampen some bore patches in this solution and put them on the jag of your cleaning rod. Swab few times through the bore with these patches untill you see bubbles in there. After that put dry patch and then oil one patch and swab through the bore. Then you are good to go shooting.
The reason rust comes back is because of salts from corrosive primers attract moisture and cause rust to form. Best way to get rid of salt is washing it off with soap and water, same as your car in the winter.
 
Are you sure it's rust and not copper fouling? Just an idea. I had a similar experience and eventually used copperzilla and removed the deposits I thought were rust. I was getting pretty frustrated.

Another idea I heard of but never had (or even wanted) to try was using some kerosine based cleaner with 0000 steel wool wrapped around a worn copper brush so it fits the bore tightly. Heard that got the rust out of an older surplus rifle.

Corrosive ammo is cheap but the money saved on ammo is spent on precious time during the obsessive type cleaning required afterwards. Seeing rust on your rifle is also like discovering your new car has been dinged up in the parking lot. It's hard to get over that type or emotional trauma. Lol.
 
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I had a similar problem with my svt 40 when I first got it. Whatever I did I couldn't seem to get the bore clean. Turns out it was a serious case of copper fouling and it end up taking me a few soaks with pro shot a bunch of scrubbing with a bore brush and over 100 patches to get the bore cleaned out.
 
use mpro 7 copper remover let it soak 15 20 minutes and will come right off.use it on my magnums after i shoot copper jackets..let the stuff work and you will not need to kill yourself scrubbing.....
 
I like spraying Remington Brite Bore (kerosene) in the barrel and letting it sit for 5-10 minutes. Then use a cloth patch on a jag. Then a solvent soaked patch with the jag. Then a scrub with brush dipped in solvent. Then a patch dipped in solvent on jag again. Inspect. Then oil.
 
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Either Copper fouling or rust from shooting corrosive ammunition is a possibility. The primer is the culprit in corrosive ammunition. The priming compound has a large chemical salt component, and when fired, coats the inside of the barrel. Salt attracts moisture, and thus rust.

The old method of two pints of boiling water down the bore from the breech then cleaning and light oiling when shooting the .303 is a good idea with rifles fired with corrosive ammo. It not only washes the salt, but heats up the barrel to allow it to expand, thus cleaning out the small "pores" in the steel, and helps drying the inside of the barrel after the water goes through it. Special funnels were issued for this purpose, with a flat on one side of the funnel and a bit of an "S" shape to the copper tube attached to the small end of the funnel. You can make one by attaching a short plastic tube to a funnel. Carry a small bottle of water with you to the range, about one litre will do, and flush the bore after shooting. Even cold water will do.

Not saying that you would do it, but you mentioned (as a bit of a laugh) using a drill on your cleaning rod and brush. While it might be an idea to some people, it is a bad idea for a rifle bore and even then it will not clean the far corners of the rifling. The rifling in a gun barrel runs lengthways and the bristles on a bore brush have the best chance of cleaning out these corners by moving it back and forth. If the brush is rotated, especially at a bit of a higher speed, then the bristles of the brush hit the top of the rifling (the lands) and are then bent back from the rotation of the rod, and thus do not reach down into the corners of the rifling but simply pass over them. Also, in the lands are "square or sharp" on top, there is a danger of putting small nicks in the top of the rifling lands because you are rotating 90 degrees to the rifling.
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Boiling hot water is the way to go. Soap really isn't necessary, but I supposed it certainly wouldn't hurt. I agree that the metal cleans better when hot too. I use boiling hot water, then immediately fill the barrel with Gunslick or Wipeout and let it do its thing. Everything gets a going over with Hoppes after and - voila - squeaky clean and no rust.
 
remembered this thread and thought I would say thanks for the advice.
I did hot water and soap through the barrel and gave her a good scrub and she is clean as a whistle now. has not comeback since August when I posted this. Running smooth and looking great.
Thanks guys.
 
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