Clever super target 12Ga 2-3/4"

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First off let me start by saying I'm not a shotgun guy. I bought one 12Ga 25/30 years ago and put less than 100 rounds through it. I enjoyed rifles and pistols far more. I've since inherited a single shot 12Ga I fixed and picked up a MK10 for some fun. Thought I'd try some clays, targets, and possibly hunting in the future.

I bought a flat of Estate #00 and another of Clever super target #7.5 but when I got home to check things out I found that the Clever super target aren't 2-3/4" like the box states? They are about 2-1/4", while the Estate shells are about 2-1/2". As it's written on the boxes and shell casings I've never measured them before and only noticed when I had one of each side by side. I've since gone through a box of the Estate shells without issue but haven't tried the Clever super target yet.

Is this normal and will it effect feeding/ejecting? Not worried about the single shot but the semi-autos might be an issue.

TIA,
Zen
 
stubblejumper said:
Just a wild guess, but if you shoot some of those loads, I predict that the fired hulls will measure close to 2-3/4".:rolleyes:
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So do I but isn't the measurement for the shell prior to being shot? And in either case the crimp isn't 1/2", closer to 1/4".
Both shells are supposed to be 2-3/4" and one is 1/2" shorter than the other?
 
The answer you are looking for is that it is perfectly acceptable to use shorter shells than your chamber calls for. If they were a bit too long rather than a bit too short thats where things can get ugly.

Enjoy
 
the spank said:
The answer is NO! Chamber lengths are measured by the length of the shell after firing not before. That is even taught in both the PAL and Hunter Safety Course.
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I know any shell marked lower than the barrel marking is safe. I know the shells need space to expand/open. That wasn't the question or what was throwing me, and why I misspoke.
After digging up old shells I still had it answered my question. It's the Estate shells design that's making up the extra length as it doesn't have a full crimp, just a roll and a clear cap. The Clever is a bit smaller than the other older brands, but only by a mm.

I thought target loads might be different, which is why I asked here, and didn't have anything else handy to compare it to, other than the Estate shells.

But thanks for the helpful reply.
Zen
 
Slightly shorter ... no matter, the different manufacturer's spec. may be due to the components internal fit requirements (inside the loaded shell) ... whatever, the 'fired' length should not exceed 2-3/4" ... and a mm. either way is not a matter for concern.

The old all brass shotshells of yesteryear were given a very small taper to close them over the top wad ... and measured almost exactly 2-3/4" when fired, about
2-15/16" when closed.

A Federal paper 6point pie crimp target load sitting on my desk is 2-3/8 long closed.

You are good to go with either your Estate or Clever loads.
 
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