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I am looking at getting my first pellet pistol, and now I am faced with thousands of options, so Maby someone could help me out! I would like to use the pistol for mostly target practice but I might use it for pest control if possible, so what are some of the pro and cons of co2 vs pump? And what would be a good pistol for me to start with?
 
Before the mod-crazy guys step in, I think I'd suggest a pumper. Why?

1.Shot-to-shot consistency
2.No CO2 to buy
3.Can be shot below 10C (though performance will suffer a little below 0C)

In other words, if you want to hit what you're aiming at every time, get a pumper. (pump-up/pneumatic) If budget is a consideration, I'd take a serious look at the Crosman 1377 pistol, you can add a skeletal stock (model 1399) to it if you like too...makes a nifty carbine. You can even mount optics with the right mounts.

Gas guns~in warm weather, guns like the Crosman 2240 can be fun, it's a single-shot .22 but even then, you only get a handful of shots that are consistent, then velocity (accuracy) starts to taper-off. Fun to NOT have to pump, but I like hitting what I'm shooting at!

Good luck! BTW, I'm assuming you're looking at guns sub-$100
 
Here are a couple of options;

www.dlairgun.com/Air-Pistols/Benjamin-Sheridan/

www.dlairgun.com/Air-Pistols/Crosman/ (1377 at the bottom)

www.dlairgun.com/Air-Pistols/Daisy/ (Daisy 717 half way down)

I own 2 pistols now, but I've been through a bunch. 1377 with 1399 stock, and .177 Webley Tempest. No plans to ever sell either one of them. :)
 
Multi pump pistols tend to be a little bulky and nose heavy. The Benjamin HBs are OK. The Crosman 1377 is alittle big and nose heavy for me.

Single stroke pnuematic like the gammo Compact, Beaman B17 or IZH46(pretty big but an excellent target pistol) might be your best bet.

If you go out and shoot strings of 40-50 shots in warm weather, then CO2 is nice and convieniant. These guns tend to be smaller and better ballanced.

If you shoot 5 shots at a squirrel or tin can every once and a while then a pump might be better. Otherwise you are waisting CO2 or never know how much of a charge is left in it.

My advice, buy one of each then sell the one you dont use much.;)

GC
 
OK, I think I'm spending too much time with the target shooting guys (and gals)

Because when the "pump" vs CO2 debates comes up, I'm thinking about whether someone should buy the PCP Steyr LP10 or the CO2 version of the Steyr LP10

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:D

If you need to fire 5 quick shots... There's always the LP50

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I don't find a pump to be much good in cold weather either actually. I mean, if you just pump it and shoot, no problem. But if you pump it and then (because you are walking in the woods for example) don't shoot it for say 20 minutes, its has very little oomph left once that air cools down.
 
I recommend a spring powered HW45.

If price is an issue; Crosman 2240 (CO2), HB22 (pump). If you are going to attempt pest control using an airgun, .22 pellets would be best.
 
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Webbley Tempest. Quality, last forever, more accurate than the price would suggest, built tough as a tank, adjustable trigger, adjustable sight. Oh, and inexpensive too. Mine is now 30 years old, 20k rounds through it, and it still looks brand new.

Or one of their other products.
 
RickR1100 said:
Webbley Tempest. Quality, last forever, more accurate than the price would suggest, built tough as a tank, adjustable trigger, adjustable sight. Oh, and inexpensive too. Mine is now 30 years old, 20k rounds through it, and it still looks brand new.
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^x2. Bought mine about 20 years ago, looks almost new. Plenty of punch, robust pistol for sure. Just noticed today, there is a used one for sale on the CAF for $170. I paid $165 (new, plus tax) for mine in '91.

As for those lovely target pistols~nice guns, but I was assuming "economy" by the thread starter. Maybe I was wrong..?
 
I just went through all that and am back to pumping, nothing beats the convenience of always having an air supply no matter where you are and when you want to shoot. Been through co2 and pcp routine.
 
Check out the webley alecto, available in .177 or 22, uses a 3 stage internal pump, adjustable releif, can be tweaked to 499.97 fps in .22 w 3 pumps, adj trigger etc, super accurate to boot!
 
super7 said:
I don't find a pump to be much good in cold weather either actually. I mean, if you just pump it and shoot, no problem. But if you pump it and then (because you are walking in the woods for example) don't shoot it for say 20 minutes, its has very little oomph left once that air cools down.
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That would be because your seals are leaking, not because the air cooled down.

Fix the seals and you'll have better results.

To the OP. What kind of target practice? Just trigger time? Match pistol target shooting? Just for fun?

Take a look at the IZH 46 or 46M target guns. They are very accurate, only require a single stroke to charge, and have decent velocity for what they do (under 500 fps).
They offer a pretty good midpoint between the 'toy' airguns and the full-bore "Match Grade" guns. Easy to use, cheap to feed. No scuba tanks or air pumps to deal with.

On the far cheaper side of things, look at a used, older Crosman 1322, for a pump up pneumatic, or a new 2240 if you don't mind dealing with CO2 carts.
22 caliber. Since you are limited to 499 fps, the only way you can increase the downrange energy, is to chuck a heavier pellet. This is bearing on the idea that you want to use the pistol for pest control of any sort.

The 2240 platform has got to be the most used modding platform out there. Got a bit in common with the 10/22 in that respect. You can easily spend a bunch more on accessories, than on the pistol itself.

Cheers
Trev
 
trevj said:
That would be because your seals are leaking, not because the air cooled down.

Fix the seals and you'll have better results.
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I'm far from an expert in anything airgun related but the seals do not leak in general. Ie, I can leave a pump or 2 in that gun for months and its still there when I use it again. So, if the seals were failing, is it possible it was due to the cold....?
 
RickR1100 said:
Webbley Tempest. Quality, last forever, more accurate than the price would suggest, built tough as a tank, adjustable trigger, adjustable sight. Oh, and inexpensive too. Mine is now 30 years old, 20k rounds through it, and it still looks brand new.

Or one of their other products.
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I'll second the Tempest. Mine is only 10 years old, and has around 10K rounds through it and still continues to make me smile. GREAT gun for the price with a reverse piston that recoils like the real deal.
 
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I used to take icecubes from the fridge, put them on the balcony railing, and shoot them w me Tempest! Yes, they are about as accurate as you'd want for a non-Olympic air pistol that's sub $1000. It's probably the very best 'value for dollar' in air pistols. In the 70's and 80's, some cops and LEO's in Vancouver region would keep their skills sharp using these.

The best part? If your skills drop from Good to Average, this gun will SHOW you exactly what you did wrong...and it challenges you to improve your trigger control and absolutely eliminate all trace of flinch. And that's when you'll REALLY see what it's capable of, and what YOU are now capable of. Confidence then grows.
 
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