Comparable alternatives to the Bergara B-14 HMR?

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I'm looking to dive deeper into long range shooting this year and so far the Bergara B-14 HMR is my top contender.
My goal is to be able to reach out and hit targets at 1000m by the end of the year so I am leaning towards 6.5 but will also consider .308 or something similar.

I'm aware of the Tikka CTR which looks nice but I'm not a fan of the expensive proprietary mags. I started off with a Ruger American Hunter which has AICS mags so I'm leaning towards another platform that shares that (hence the Bergara).

What other options should I be cross shopping the Bergara with in that $1500-2000 price range?
 
If you have the chance, try them both at a local shop or range, both are great but the bergara comes aics ready in a great stock, the tikka has a better bolt and trigger in my opinion.
 
Tikka's are nice (although I don't have a ton of experience with them) but if you want out of the box AICS compatibility and you like the stock the HMR comes with, I'd lean towards the Bergara. The Bergara is basically a Rem 700 with a side release and their factory barrels are supposed to be quite nice. Can't speak to the trigger (had one on a B14R) as I swapped mine immediately for a 2-stage TT but that's the beauty of a R700 clone, you have a plethora of options for replacing the trigger if you so desire. Same goes for the stock down the line if you decide you want a chassis.
 
Funny you should ask that question about Bergara versus Tikka rigs. :eek:

Nutnfancy (Youtube author) in “The Nutnfancy Project” compares both rigs and he loves them both. So I gotta wade in here. I owned a Tikka LSA 55 (Ithaca Branded) back in my undergrad days at the University of Alberta. I actually owned it for more than 2 years and that’s a stretch for me. :cool:

That Tikka shot dimes with hunting ammo! It could do nothing wrong. I loved it so much but when I graduated I traded it in for a Springfield Armory M1A, but that’s another story.

These days I’m a Tikka T1x fanboy among my junior and senior rimfire shooters at my local gun club.

When the T3 Tactical came out with their proprietary magazines (the kiss of death) I was rather annoyed since I pushed many of my clients to the Tikka platform. Phillip Velayo (Youtube Presenter) of Modern Day Sniper Podcast fame has a pet project on the go with this T3 Varmint. He sheds great light on the T3 joy. Long story short, he dropped that T3 Varmint (I believe) into a KRG Whiskey 3 and never looked back.

After watching the Nutnfancy video about his love for both platforms, I bought a tight twist .22-250 (my weakness) B14 HMR with a 9” twist barrel to launch some 75 grain booolits this coming summer and still use that rig for coyotes (I get out hunting but never anchored one) ha ha ha ha :nest:


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I’m a fanatic for AICS magazines and I’ll tell ya why. Being a Service Rifle shooter (then slid into the PR world), magazines and loading systems are everything for an SR shooter. Without several magazines, you may as well shoot F Class (and I would still suck). Magazines need to be sorted out and organized and evolved throughout your seasons. You don’t believe me? Come and shoot CQB matches that call for 5 rifle and 2 pistol magazines.


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A previous mentor of mine reminded me that at a polo tournament, you don’t bring a single polo pony; you bring at least 2 of them , preferably 4 ponies. Ha ha ha ha … OUCH, that’s expensive. With my CQB clinics I recommend shooters turn up with at least 10 magazines, hopefully reputable and somewhat tested at home gun club. The purpose being, to stress the magazines in different shooting : positions, stages, courses of fire, angles, drills, etc.

You must understand that all magazines kinda/ generally work well when you ‘re parked on the gun club bench and also drinking a mocha chino latte. Once you’re standing or shooting on the move or changing barricades or tank traps or tire walls, or transitioning from inside the dog house to the roof of the dog house; all bets are off for the smoothest operation of that magazine. It’s gotta feed at all angles, all temperatures, all different precipitations (this is Service Conditions, remember!!).


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So how are you planning to discover which of your many magazines you are willing to shoot a match or several stages with when you show up at Reception Desk for the Meaford LRSC, and you see me bugging you about magazine evolution process? Ha ha ha ha

Now, let’s re-visit the Proprietary Magazine issue (deliberate use of Proper nouns being capitalized, Heh Heh Heh... ). Tikka proprietary magazines are like polo ponies. Bring several… BUT they’re costly and very hard to find. Don’t get me wrong, i don’t want to slag them even if my Winchester Model 70 PBR (Patrol Bolt Rifle) is new-to-me and arriving in a few days. It’s discontinued and the proprietary magazines are difficult to source. Understand I ain’t using it for any matches in PRS, well maybe at my PR match in Garrison Petawawa one day. :rolleyes:


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Back in 2017, I bought (my own money, too) a Ruger Precision Rifle in .308 from Wolverine Supplies in MB. I loved that rig because you could use AICS and M14 magazines, both of which I had almost a dozen diffferent specimens to put through and stress. I was most impressed. A PR rifle that was ready to compete right out of the box using magazines from : AI, Magpul, Accurate Mag, MDT, USGI M14, and all sorts of other brands, not to mention Ruger’s own AICS type, too. :)



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That baby shot pretty tight groups alongside my sponsored Accuracy International AX with a PMII on top. But, that wonderful AX shot proprietary double stack AI magazines and not AICS.

Moving forward, before solving this Tikka situation with more money (read: MDT ACC, KRG Whiskey/Xray/Bravo, and others) and AICS Magazines; What are you tending to do / intending to do with this platform?

What’s your philosophy of use?

Whatever you chose, just don’t be that guy who makes all sorts of mistakes with magazine issues and then ends up on my anecdotal funny stories during my courses. :eek:

As a match director, I get to watch it all go down and sometimes swallow my chewing gum (thank goodness I don’t chew tobacco) :nest:



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Choose well and evolve your magazines! Train like you compete and compete like you train. That’s from my mentor, TimK. I am forever grateful. :wave:

All the Best!!

Cheers, Barney

Peace Be The Journey!
 

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Funny you should ask that question about Bergara versus Tikka rigs. :eek:

Nutnfancy (Youtube author) in “The Nutnfancy Project” compares both rigs and he loves them both. So I gotta wade in here. I owned a Tikka LSA 55 (Ithaca Branded) back in my undergrad days at the University of Alberta. I actually owned it for more than 2 years and that’s a stretch for me. :cool:

That Tikka shot dimes with hunting ammo! It could do nothing wrong. I loved it so much but when I graduated I traded it in for a Springfield Armory M1A, but that’s another story.

These days I’m a Tikka T1x fanboy among my junior and senior rimfire shooters at my local gun club.

When the T3 Tactical came out with their proprietary magazines (the kiss of death) I was rather annoyed since I pushed many of my clients to the Tikka platform. Phillip Velayo (Youtube Presenter) of Modern Day Sniper Podcast fame has a pet project on the go with this T3 Varmint. He sheds great light on the T3 joy. Long story short, he dropped that T3 Varmint (I believe) into a KRG Whiskey 3 and never looked back.

After watching the Nutnfancy video about his love for both platforms, I bought a tight twist .22-250 (my weakness) B14 HMR with a 9” twist barrel to launch some 75 grain booolits this coming summer and still use that rig for coyotes (I get out hunting but never anchored one) ha ha ha ha :nest:


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I’m a fanatic for AICS magazines and I’ll tell ya why. Being a Service Rifle shooter (then slid into the PR world), magazines and loading systems are everything for an SR shooter. Without several magazines, you may as well shoot F Class (and I would still suck). Magazines need to be sorted out and organized and evolved throughout your seasons. You don’t believe me? Come and shoot CQB matches that call for 5 rifle and 2 pistol magazines.


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A previous mentor of mine reminded me that at a polo tournament, you don’t bring a single polo pony; you bring at least 2 of them , preferably 4 ponies. Ha ha ha ha … OUCH, that’s expensive. With my CQB clinics I recommend shooters turn up with at least 10 magazines, hopefully reputable and somewhat tested at home gun club. The purpose being, to stress the magazines in different shooting : positions, stages, courses of fire, angles, drills, etc.

You must understand that all magazines kinda/ generally work well when you ‘re parked on the gun club bench and also drinking a mocha chino latte. Once you’re standing or shooting on the move or changing barricades or tank traps or tire walls, or transitioning from inside the dog house to the roof of the dog house; all bets are off for the smoothest operation of that magazine. It’s gotta feed at all angles, all temperatures, all different precipitations (this is Service Conditions, remember!!).


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So how are you planning to discover which of your many magazines you are willing to shoot a match or several stages with when you show up at Reception Desk for the Meaford LRSC, and you see me bugging you about magazine evolution process? Ha ha ha ha

Now, let’s re-visit the Proprietary Magazine issue (deliberate use of Proper nouns being capitalized, Heh Heh Heh... ). Tikka proprietary magazines are like polo ponies. Bring several… BUT they’re costly and very hard to find. Don’t get me wrong, i don’t want to slag them even if my Winchester Model 70 PBR (Patrol Bolt Rifle) is new-to-me and arriving in a few days. It’s discontinued and the proprietary magazines are difficult to source. Understand I ain’t using it for any matches in PRS, well maybe at my PR match in Garrison Petawawa one day. :rolleyes:


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Back in 2017, I bought (my own money, too) a Ruger Precision Rifle in .308 from Wolverine Supplies in MB. I loved that rig because you could use AICS and M14 magazines, both of which I had almost a dozen diffferent specimens to put through and stress. I was most impressed. A PR rifle that was ready to compete right out of the box using magazines from : AI, Magpul, Accurate Mag, MDT, USGI M14, and all sorts of other brands, not to mention Ruger’s own AICS type, too. :)



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That baby shot pretty tight groups alongside my sponsored Accuracy International AX with a PMII on top. But, that wonderful AX shot proprietary double stack AI magazines and not AICS.

Moving forward, before solving this Tikka situation with more money (read: MDT ACC, KRG Whiskey/Xray/Bravo, and others) and AICS Magazines; What are you tending to do / intending to do with this platform?

What’s your philosophy of use?

Whatever you chose, just don’t be that guy who makes all sorts of mistakes with magazine issues and then ends up on my anecdotal funny stories during my courses. :eek:

As a match director, I get to watch it all go down and sometimes swallow my chewing gum (thank goodness I don’t chew tobacco) :nest:



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Choose well and evolve your magazines! Train like you compete and compete like you train. That’s from my mentor, TimK. I am forever grateful. :wave:

All the Best!!

Cheers, Barney

Peace Be The Journey!

Thanks for that detailed response. My philosophy of use is to use the rifle for crown land plinking and hopefully one day joining a long range sport like PRS. I'm not aware of any ranges that go out to 1000m but I can find close to that on crown land near me.
I'm not sure if I would take it hunting due to the weight, my Ruger American Hunter comes in at over 11lbs which weighs on you after a long trek.

I'm definately set on the rifle being AICS mag compatible for cross platform compatability (and affordable mags).

I'll likely go with the Viper PST GEn 2 since it seems to be a popular choice with this rifle.

Are there any other rifles I should consider with these parameters or just go with my gut and get the Bergara?
 
I have had a few acquaintances encounter various issues on their Bergara B14's stemming from poor QC (purchases made around 2019). I'm not sure if they upped their QC over the years but my money is still with Tikka. However if you're set on a Bergara I would poke around the internet for any recent reports of issues before purchasing.
 
I have had a few acquaintances encounter various issues on their Bergara B14's stemming from poor QC (purchases made around 2019). I'm not sure if they upped their QC over the years but my money is still with Tikka. However if you're set on a Bergara I would poke around the internet for any recent reports of issues before purchasing.

Interesting, were those feeding/extraction issues? I haven't heard of any QC issues so will have to do some reading if they are still prevalent in newly built rifles.
 
If your budget is in the $1500 to 2000 range (assume not including optics???), I would lean you heavily into a quality donor factory action, match barrel and decent stock/chassis. There are also MANY semi and full custom rifles in the EE which are around this budget which may offer much higher levels of performance.

If you are happy with factory level performance and don't intend to swap out parts, have at it.... but many buy an expensive factory rifle... then start upgrading almost every thing spending even more money.

Myself, quality barrels are the best investment I can recommend. With the cost per bang of ammo today, a match barrel is cheap over the lifespan and even if not thinking thousands of rds later, the benefit of consistent, reliable, repeatable and stable accuracy is well worth the investment.

There are several donors that work great with AICS mags... are easy to upgrade barrels and stocks/chassis and fit the overall budget you have.

Good luck with your project.

Jerry
 
Just for fun... had a look at the EE and these 3 things were in first pages. Not an endorsement as I know nothing about these items, but just throwing out ideas.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...led-action-primers-and-powders-also-available

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2343466-Savage-Short-Action-500

with modern 22 cal bullets, a 223 Rem can easily reach 1000yds ... for alot less money per bang.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...65-Savage-Shilen-Select-Match-barreled-action

Jerry
 
Id recommend a trigger change if you are going Bergara. I found it made a huge difference. Triggertech Diamond - now groups MOA down to half MOA from 2 to 1 1/4 MOA with the stock trigger (gritty break with many fliers - myself and others found the same). Was about to sell it then changed triggers. Being a R700 clone there are loads of aftermarket options.
I had a Tikka - the mags are not my fav. It shot REALLLY well. But I am a mag snob and the AICS is great.
 
If you're shooting PRS you will want a chassis setup which $600 is on the lowest end (price wise, you really cant go wrong with any of the available options no matter the price point, they all provide the same accuracy improvement that a metal chassis allows. AICS mags are a bonus.

Tikka CTR mags are expensive but absolutley excellent. 10 rds double stacked gives you a mag flush with the trigger guard. And they feed slick.

Also, you can easily modify polymer AI mags to run in a CTR magwell with some appropriate sanding/ filing. $40 beats $180 for a CTR mag.
 
So from the looks of things here the Tikka is the main alternative to the Bergara in this price range. Are there no other makes/models worth considering? Weatherby? Browning? Winchester? I'm not actually sure of others that take AICS mags out of the box other than some cheaper Rugers and Savages.
 
The downside to the brands you list are aftermarket support. Tikka and Bergara win in that category. The ctr in a Bravo would be better overall than the Bergara. I have a Bergara B14R and it's awesome. But it's not enough to make me want a centerfire bergara
 
Sig Cross?

I feel like the barrel is a bit short and a bit too thin to take sustained strings of fire and wring the most out of the cartridge at 1000m, I really love mine as a lightweight, compact hunting tool but the PRS versions are going to be well over budget and the regular rifle might be just a bit too much of a compromise to ring steel 10/10 at a klick-o-meter. Not saying it can't be done (I just dropped a Strike Eagle on mine last week to stretch it out this year), but for that use case there are better choices.
 
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