CONFUSED cast bullet problem

[samaftanas]

Well hear is the deal. I have been trying to find a acurate cast wheel whight load for my thirty-thirty 94. I havent been able to find a load for months of trying with red-dot, blue-dot and H 414. the other day I started getting desprate so I tride Steel and IMR 7828, steel was not acurate so I tride ten grains of IMR 7828 and a remington mag primer. there was hardly any noice but the Bullet hit my bullet trap hard and when I ejected the case most of the powder spillt out un bernt. I tride agian with fifteen grains still same results. Please tell me what is going on if you have any idea.


if any one has thirty-thirty cast loads that they could share that would also be awsome

 

[Canuck44]

PM me your email address and I'll send you my loading spreadsheet. Has some 30-30 loads you might be interested in using the Lyman 311041 bullet. All of the loads listed are within manuals.

Take Care

Bob

 

[John Y Cannuck]

What cast bullet are you using?

 

[samaftanas]

what type of cast bullets am I useing

I am useing 150 rg. flat nose with a lee die and pure wheel weghts for lead

 

[glenliz87]

I'm using a 150gr flat nose bullet as well. My best results are with SR 4759 in my Marlin 30-30. However, I am using below manual listed loads to keep my velocities down and prevent leading since I am not using gas checks. This powder should work fine in your 94.
Here are a couple of my targets using SR 4759. On the first photo is a 5 shot group. You can see 1 got away on me, I probably twitched.
On the second photo, the wind really picked up & the bullets spread a bit. Other than that, these results don't seem too bad. My scope is still a tad off though.

 

[44Bore]

7828 is not a suitable powder for your purpose. You would prbably have better luck with something like imr 3031 , 4320 or 4895. If you can find it, Reloader 7 often gives good results also. Get a Lyman cast bullet handbook/reloading manual. i use a Lyman 173 grain flat nose gas check bullet in the 30-30 and get accuracy similar to jacketed in most rifles. I used a similar lee bullet to the one you are using and did not have much luck with it either.

44Bore

 

[ben hunchak]

I've had good luck with a 175 gr. flat pt. gas check and 17.5 grs. or 4759 a good powder for cast bullet loads.I'm wondering why you tried 7828 and Steel powders, i get the feeling that you are kind of "winging it" and should maybe step back and check out a good reloading manual. For cast bullets the Lyman 48th is a good manual. I shoot hundreds of cast bullets every week so don't be afraid to ask questions or PM me if you have ques/probs.

 

[Tex Critter]

I use IMR 3031 with a gas checked Lee 170gr FP. I load to same recipe for a 170gr jacketed bullet (somewhere around 1900 fps) with very little leading.
Those fast pistol & shotshell powders would work better if you stuffed a little Kapok fibre (common pillow stuffing) to keep the powder compressed a bit for a better ignition.

Tex

 

[ckid]

My two go to powders for cast in the .32 SPL (very close to 30-30) are SR-4759 17.5 grs with a 170 rnfp gas check and 22 grains of Reloader 7 behind the same bullet.

 

[sunray]

"...ejected the case most of the powder spilt out unburnt..." Got 'em crimped? The bullets properly lubed and gas checked?

 

[ben hunchak]

i think that the reason for the unburnt powder is that 7828 was being used, instead of a suitable powder.

 

[John Y Cannuck]

I agree, I think powders in the range of H4895 are about as slow as you'd want to go.
Me, I've never used cast 150's, only 170's. H 4895 works fine in the 170 grain loads. You might have to go a bit faster with the lighter bullet however.

 

[X-man]

I've always had good results with IMR 3031 and the .30-30 and 150-170 gr cast WW bullets.

 

[blacksmithden]

+1 for 3031

 

[grouch]

Try 7 - 9 gr Unique, 12 - 15gr either 2400, 4227, or H110. Those should get you decent accuracy with the Lee 150gr if everything else is right. It would probably help to add 1 or 2% tin to your wheelweights.
Grouch

 

[samaftanas]

Try 7 - 9 gr Unique, 12 - 15gr either 2400, 4227, or H110. Those should get you decent accuracy with the Lee 150gr if everything else is right. It would probably help to add 1 or 2% tin to your wheelweights.
Grouch

Any idea where I can find cheep or free tin

 

[Winnipeg Toymaker]

3031 seems to be the best for my Winnies....I use it in my 30-30, 38-55, 32 Spec and even my 1892 25-20s. In the 30-30 loaded 24.5 gr with a 185 gas checked cast bullet.

 

[John Y Cannuck]

Wheelweights have plenty of tin for 30-30 use, I've used straight wheelweights for many years in 170 grain loads, including hunting loads.
I even shot a bunch at a match a few years back. No leading that time either, despite having a barrel you could fry eggs on from the amount fired in a hurry.

 

[grouch]

Tin is the expensive part o the alloy. I'd try either the scrap yards for bar solder, maybe you have a plumber friend, or look under lead in the yellow pages. There are outfits that produce lead alloys, and they have tin in bars.
Canuck 44 is right about ww being hard enough, the tin makes the bullets fill the mold better. If you are going to use straight wheelweights, you probably have to cast pretty hot.
Grouch

 

[Canuck44]

samaftanas tin is expensive and you gain little hardness by adding it. As has been mentioned for the .30-30 wheelweight alloy is all you really need. Water quench them if you want to harden them or alternatively you can heat them in the oven at about 450 degrees F for a half hour and then drop them into water.

Take Care

Bob