Considering an Anschutz, now 17hmr or another 22lr dilemma

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Nordic is having things on sale , I am considering to grab an Anschutz even though I don’t need it ( who needs a rifle anyway)

So the dilemma is another 22lr or a 17hmr?
I have never owned a 17hmr, so I’m kind of curious to try it out.

My rimfire usage is generally plinking and target shooting. So far most of time at 100 meters and occasionally at 200 meters. I can do sub-MOA in both situations. But I want to try out at 300 meters for plinking steel plate, so maybe 17hmr is better? Or stick with another 22lr? Or don’t buy at all?
 
I have an Anschutz 1517 in 17hmr and it is a great shooter. But practically am not shooting it much. I would go towards the .22 for reasons of ammo cost and availability.
 
Sounds like majority says another 22lr
Does Annie 22lr have tight tolerance on rim thickness?
The reason I’m asking this is that my Vudoo and RimX actions really hate CCI min-mag, I have to push the bolt hard to get a round to the chamber. The Eley and SK and Lapua can go in very smooth. I measured the rim thickness and found cci is consistently thicker than others but it’s way cheaper as well.
My CZ 457 has no problems eat any brands of ammos. Hope Annie is not as picky as Vudoo or RimX
 
I have Vudoo & Rim X and have owned many 64 & 54 action sporters....ALL have a hard time closing the bolt on CCI - The experts will chime in but my understanding is that it is not only rim thickness compared to SK/Lapua but the actual bullet shape on CCI ammo also contributes to hard bolt close.
 
allan harris said:
I have Vudoo & Rim X and have owned many 64 & 54 action sporters....ALL have a hard time closing the bolt on CCI - The experts will chime in but my understanding is that it is not only rim thickness compared to SK/Lapua but the actual bullet shape on CCI ammo also contributes to hard bolt close.
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I think you are right. Every time after I shot cci on Vudoo and RimX, I can find some sort of lead residue in a crescent moon shape. It's like the chamber carves the bullet head to shape it.
But the rim of cci is also thicker than sk/lapua/eley.
So I guess both factors contribute.
 
Hey man , my first HMR was a CZ MTR - phukn xlnt , next
Cooper LVT .17 HMR , Even Better..

Get both CZ MTR .22 & MTR .17 , Don';t Not get an HMR ...
 
Speaking with my prepper hat on, ammo shortages and ammo storage for the bad times has had a lot of people limiting and even shrinking their gun inventories down to a few common types of ammunition. As far as such things go however, it used to be considered a good idea to have several firearms of different calibres so as to take advantage of odd ammo turning up, but that notion seems to have lost favour.
 
From the standpoint of 100/200 metres, in our shoots the 17's were allowed to compete against the 22m lr in hunter class and they never won . . . except once.
They were grouped off as they are different and they are tough to score.
While using jacketed ammunition, it still is not match and while 22 lr Match can be tested lot to lot, that is generally not an option with 17 HMR.
The 17's were designed for varmint control. They will shoot some good targets but match ammo is still cheaper than 17 HMR.
It is tough enough to see your shots at 200 metres using a 22 but a 17 HMR is much worse and those shooting them tend to get lost chasing their shots.
 
I did a quick ammo rim thickness comparison, it might be anecdotal, but I would like to share it anyway.

From left to right, it’s cci sv, cci blazer, cci mini mag, Eley tenex, lapua Midas+, lapua centre-x
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And three of each above brands sit side by side in columns in above order. You can clearly see cci’s rims are thicker than others
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I have sk standard, sk rifle match, sk long range, lapua biathlon handy but not shown in the pictures. It’s same result: cci rims are thicker than all of them
 

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I think the answer to this question will have allot to do with budget, expectations and intended use. Judging by the other guns in the OP's stable, I'm guessing budget isn't a huge issue=which is good.

When I think "Anschutz", I think .22LR and considering the enormous selection of ammo available for it, I think it's pretty much guaranteed you'll find at least a type or two it'll shoot exceptionally well. 17HMR is far more limited in terms of ammo choices, and anything decent NOT branded Hornady (=CCI) is still loaded by them. If have my facts straight. An Anschutz in 17HMR should shoot as good or better than a less expensive rifle in the same caliber..but you are tethered to maybe 5 ammo options. With the increased reach/noise level of 17HMR (and 22WMR), the cost of ammo for those two calibers these days, availability OF it..I think it's time for the OP to consider a caliber like .223, that will shine @ 100-200+ yards. In my reality, anywhere I can make 17HMR noise...a .223 is fine to use.

In terms of "making the jump" to centerfire, I cycled through 3 x 17HMR rifles before moving to .223 for varmint hunting, and long range plinking. Zero regrets. I still own a 17HMR, but it now lives in S. Alberta for gopher duty...which is all I've ever used it for anyway. To put even 17HMR into perspective, we were making shots UNDER 75 yards on a day late into our spring trip this year, wind was bad that day. We had to hold OVER a foot into the wind to connect, and -75 yards isn't that far. 17HMR is still cheaper than .223, but allot of bullets ended-up in the dirt too.

Unless the OP's experience differs immensely from my own, I'd bet that with a .223 (even a Savage heavy barrel) the odds of connecting @ 300 yards would be significantly greater than attempting the same thing with a 17HMR. Even if it was made by Anschutz.

Hitting targets at 200-300 yards is fun, but I'd rather do that nearly every time with a centerfire than lob tiny 17gr. bullets that far and cross my fingers. We all have goals though, nothing wrong with trying to do it with a 17 rimfire.
 
I have settled my mind on another 22lr with Annie, and stick with 200 yards for that, leave 300 yard job to my tikka 223REM, beyond 300 will be 308WIN or 65CM job
The only question now is which model, the older but elegant and time approved 54 actions (i.e. 1712) or a newer 1761.
I’m torn between a 1761 MPR and 1712 sporter now.

.22LRGUY said:
I think the answer to this question will have allot to do with budget, expectations and intended use. Judging by the other guns in the OP's stable, I'm guessing budget isn't a huge issue=which is good.

When I think "Anschutz", I think .22LR and considering the enormous selection of ammo available for it, I think it's pretty much guaranteed you'll find at least a type or two it'll shoot exceptionally well. 17HMR is far more limited in terms of ammo choices, and anything decent NOT branded Hornady (=CCI) is still loaded by them. If have my facts straight. An Anschutz in 17HMR should shoot as good or better than a less expensive rifle in the same caliber..but you are tethered to maybe 5 ammo options. With the increased reach/noise level of 17HMR (and 22WMR), the cost of ammo for those two calibers these days, availability OF it..I think it's time for the OP to consider a caliber like .223, that will shine @ 100-200+ yards. In my reality, anywhere I can make 17HMR noise...a .223 is fine to use.

In terms of "making the jump" to centerfire, I cycled through 3 x 17HMR rifles before moving to .223 for varmint hunting, and long range plinking. Zero regrets. I still own a 17HMR, but it now lives in S. Alberta for gopher duty...which is all I've ever used it for anyway. To put even 17HMR into perspective, we were making shots UNDER 75 yards on a day late into our spring trip this year, wind was bad that day. We had to hold OVER a foot into the wind to connect, and -75 yards isn't that far. 17HMR is still cheaper than .223, but allot of bullets ended-up in the dirt too.

Unless the OP's experience differs immensely from my own, I'd bet that with a .223 (even a Savage heavy barrel) the odds of connecting @ 300 yards would be significantly greater than attempting the same thing with a 17HMR. Even if it was made by Anschutz.

Hitting targets at 200-300 yards is fun, but I'd rather do that nearly every time with a centerfire than lob tiny 17gr. bullets that far and cross my fingers. We all have goals though, nothing wrong with trying to do it with a 17 rimfire.
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I love an annie, but 17hmr is such an amazing round. You can get a nice savage for 600 bucks, and it will shoot just as well as the Annie in 17... a 22lr annie though... A masterpiece.
 
prairieguy said:
Have you looked at the 1727F? The trigger in the 1727F is far superior to those in the 1761 and 171x series.
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I don't own any Annie 1761 2-stage light trigger, so I cannot comment on that.

But what threw me off is the straight pull bolt. It's a fancy design that I don't need or actually I don't even like. I like the old-school lift-pull-push kind of action.
Besides, for the double of the price of 1761 I don't really see a value from 1727, at least not to my taste.
 
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