Cooey Model 82/C2B1

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I have several questions about the Cooey M82 which I can't seem to find an answer for and I was hoping someone here would be able to help me out.

1. I understand the contract for the purchase of 34,810 rifles was let in 1942. When was this production complete? I have read that a civilian model was produced until 1949, but was the military contract completed prior to the conclusion of WWII?

2. Was the rifle used by the regular army and RCAF cadets, or by army cadets and RCAF cadets?

3. When did the rifle's designation change to the C2B1?

4. Lastly, what was the proper model sling used with this rifle?

I just bought one and it seems like a really interesting rifle, but there is not a lot of information out there in the public domain.

I'd also be interested in anyone else's opinion on the rifle. Accuracy, reliability etc.

Thanks for your help.
 
Records/information for any Cooey firearm is pretty sketchy but here is my take on the model 82 (which means I could be wrong). For the most part, the rifle I believe was used by the army cadets and RCAF cadets. This isn't to say that some of these rifles didn't see practice with regular troops. Although there was an order for 34,810 rifles, I would not be surprised if not all of these guns were issued or stamped on the bottom of the wrist with a serial number. In fact, there are a number of rifles out there that have the military broad arrow acceptance mark but do not bear a serial number on the pistol grip. As far as C2B1, I have no idea what you are talking about. Being of a basic, simple design, these guns were/are quite reliable.
 
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As with just about any smallbore rifle in military Service in wartime, the 82 would have had a variety of uses ranging right from basic marksmanship training to diagnostic/remedial practice to recreational shooting. It was designed to mimic the .22" SMLE Number 2 Rifle (called the Mark II previous to the 1926 reforms) which was in short supply and could not be replaced/added to because the industrial capacity (in the form of factories) did not exist.

At that time, every small town in the country still had its local Armoury for the local Militia and Cadets. Each Armoury had a basement rifle range as a part of its design. The Armoury here, for example, could accommodate 4 shooters and 2 Coaches at a time. Likely it would have had a complement of half a dozen rifles. Multiply that by the number of Armouries. As well, each CATP facility would have needed rifles for the teaching of basic marksmanship. Air bases also had Trap ranges: deflection shooting instruction and practice.

Remember, there had been nothing made or acquired since 1919 and Canada's War effort in the Second World War was DOUBLE what the country had done during the Great War. We put a MILLION men into uniform out of a population of barely 14 million. ANOTHER million went into War industries.

That contract for Cooeys would have been high priority and I would not be surprised to learn that deliveries started well before the Contract date. That DID happen with Essential War Supplies from time to time.... and the Cooeys certainly were "Essential".

Another point: .303 ammunition was in very short supply for the first years of the War. When my Dad was on Coast Watch (he was an Instrument Tech, but everyone had to take Coast Watch on top of their regular duties after the Japs came in, there being just not enough manpower to do everything), their instructions were very simple: "If the Japs land, fire 5 rounds and run like hell!" Those FIVE rounds per rifle were ALL THEY HAD; when your shift was done, you turned Rifle and ALL FIVE COUNTED rounds over to your replacement. Previous to that, he had been on guard duty at the Brandon Airport (still being built). There, they had 3 rifles and 5 rounds to stop the Fallschirmjagers if they showed up. Once Ammunition production had ramped-up, the situation became a lot easier. In the Air Force there was lots of .303 available which had become outdated for AC use, but the stuff had to be MADE first and THEN pass its "best before date". Until then, it stayed in the Browning belts in the Hurricanes or in the Base ammo dump.

The Cooeys eased a lot of this. For one thing, we had a factory which was set-up to produce .22" ammunition already..... and .22" RF rounds cost half a cent per round to make, which compares very favourably to more than 7 cents a round for .303". These are Wartime prices, BTW; our present-day currency is woefully debased.

Once production of the Number 4 Rifle was underway..... and AFTER the Cooey contract..... a quantity of "Long Branch .22"" rifles were built. Mine is a 1944 (same year as ME!) I have HEARD that a few were made in 1943 but I have not SEEN one. STENCOLLECTOR: WHERE ARE YOU??????? HE will know for sure. The Long Branch .22" was the prototype for the official C Number 7 rifle. I do remember that our local Armoury still had some Cooeys in the very early 1960s, although we had C Number 7s for training and FN C-1s, Stens and a few Sterlings for SHTF, with Number 4 Rifles, a couple of Brens and large quantities of .303 ammo on hand.

But the Cooeys served right through the War and for a time afterwards. Based on the standard Cooey Safety Bolt action and with a heavy Barrel and a stock mimicking the SMLE, they were an excellent stop-gap device. BTW, Cooeys had their standard 8-groove rifling with quite shallow grooves. It shot VERY well with old Standard Velocity ammunition. If you really want one to stand up and do tricks for you, feed it a box of Remington SUBSONICS, which are very close to the old specs for Standard Velocity. Modern hot-rock loads tend to come unglued in the shallow rifling; with the prevalence of hot-rock ammo these days, this has given the old Cooey the reputation of not being accurate. NOT SO if you feed them what they were DESIGNED to eat. Same goes for the Long Branch .22 and the C Number 7: they will keep up with a Winchester 52 or a modern Anschutz if you feed them the right stuff.

Sorry, but I have no idea what a C2B1 might be. Only C2 of any kind I ever met was a selective-fire HB FAL which went to the smelter many moons ago.

Hope this helps.
 
At that time, every small town in the country still had its local Armoury for the local Militia and Cadets. Each Armoury had a basement rifle range as a part of its design. The Armoury here, for example, could accommodate 4 shooters and 2 Coaches at a time. Likely it would have had a complement of half a dozen rifles. Multiply that by the number of Armouries.

Nothing to do with Cooeys, but much to do with the old armoury in our little town. Circa 1952 ours burned to the ground. As soon as Spring came, a new one was built. Our gun club has made a deal with the local Legion #55 to rent the range year round. It is a very nice range. We are just getting the old club back up and running.
 
I have a Model 82. It's an absolute tack driver with target ammo. I have only seen them referred to as Rifle Cooey pattern .22 in. The one below is mine.

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C2B1 is the designation given to the Cooey Model 82 when they were turned into drill rifles. Army designation is "Rifle, Cal, .22, C2B1, Without Bolt"

The instruction I have authorizes the attachment of a dummy magazine to the rifle to facilitate rifle drill for the Royal Canadian Army Cadet Corps. The instruction is dated 1 Nov 63.

This would be shortly after the introduction of the FN C1A1 and it would allow the Cadets to drill with something a little closer to the service rifle.

Just for interest sakes, the CF used a C1B5. What was this one?? Answer will be provided later today.
 
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C2B1 is the designation given to the Cooey Model 82 when they were turned into drill rifles. Army designation is "Rifle, Cal, .22, C2B1, Without Bolt"

The instruction I have authorizes the attachment of a dummy magazine to the rifle to facilitate rifle drill for the Royal Canadian Army Cadet Corps. The instruction is dated 1 Nov 63.

This would be shortly after the introduction of the FN C1A1 and it would allow the Cadets to drill with something a little closer to the service rifle.

Just for interest sakes, the CF used a C1B5. What was this one?? Answer will be provided later today.

Sounds like the kinda thing someone with their own museum might say...

I'll guess the C1B5 is the no7 Enfield. (stressing the word "guess")
 
Well this should be the easiest one ever to add to a collection.

The C1B5 is a Cooey Model 64 without stock. It was used as a sub-calibre device used to simulate the main armament of the Centurion tank while carrying out gunnery practice on the indoor minitature range.

The CFTO this info was taken from is dated 6 Dec 1973.
 
Well this should be the easiest one ever to add to a collection.

The C1B5 is a Cooey Model 64 without stock. It was used as a sub-calibre device used to simulate the main armament of the Centurion tank while carrying out gunnery practice on the indoor minitature range.

The CFTO this info was taken from is dated 6 Dec 1973.

Turns out I've owned about half a dozen 'surps more than I thought. I adore the 64's!

Thank you for sharing (even if it means I was wrong twice).
 
thnk for post #3

just wanted to say really appreciate the time you take to address any thing milsurp that people ask about on this site.

one fella mentioned 22's being a "personal weakness" - i second that motion! or whatever :p

any way, thank you mr. smelly for the informative post on the cooey 82!
jsd
 
Thanks for the info!

BTW: I believe the sling is a standard Canadian Enfield sling, is it not?

Yes, same web sling as a Lee Enfield. Some people say the loops are a bit narrow, but mine fits fine, of course you want a genuine Canadian made web sling. So far, I know of four Canadian sling manufacturers- ZL&T Ltd, MS& U , Hugh Carson and Woods - Any others?
 
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