Cooey/Savage/Winchester Parts Compatibility?

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I've got a Cooey 64 that I would like to build.

I've heard before that the Savage 64 is the same gun, so that means all the parts will fit? Even for the various models of Savage 64's?

What is the difference between a Winchester 64, a 64a & a 64b? Will all the parts interchange?

There are some good parts available at GunPartsCorp.com

Additionally you can get savage spares straight from the factory, including an AcuTrigger! But will it all fit an old Cooey?

Here is a link to the Savage 64 manual

And here is a link to a reproduction of the original manual!

Thanks
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I adore my '64s

I don't know of Winchester bits fitting...

The Cooey 64 has been built, with few changes, for about 50 years. I have a couple and, love 'em (now...). There are some parts that will swap over, through time but, some slight changes too:
-wire ejector in early models, newer models have a flat plate so Barrels and, bolts might be time specific
-The original 64 had a plastic mag. the newer ones(64B?) went to a metal mag. There are kits available to convert them all to metal mags. My first one(Bought 25 years ago) is a 64 but, has a metal mag.

I just read recently of a new 64 with accutrigger...

Parts come and, go on the EE and, if you know what you have, it'll be easier to find what you need but, essentially, slight mods can make them work (Last year I modified my 64 to use flat plate style ejector...made my own ejector too, using dollar store hand saw for material).

Fine choice, IMO, as there's a very good reason the production run has been this long!

Looking forward to reading more about them too (here) Mr. Toymaker, are you there?
 
The parts that are interchangeable, are the mag and well. The complete bolt will not. There are older gunsmiths that have a miriad of parts for the old 64s. I deal with one regularly.I have the early model with plastic mag, and a converted 64. Love them for plinking etc.
 
Mine was a plastic mag model to start, but was converted to metal.

I sent an email to Western Gun Parts in Edmonton regarding spare mags (yes, $24.95) & asked about Savage - Cooey compatibility, this is what he came back with:

"ONLY if it is a Cooey 64B, the 64 and some 64A took different parts for extractors and ejectors and not interchange."

Also, apparently Savage does not sell Accu-Trigger assemblies so that is a non starter, but they now offer the 64 TRR-SR that has it. Pretty sweet! And the MSRP is $315!

Also on the website you can download the instructions for the 64's, which includes exploded diagrams. I've also got an exploded diagram for an actual Cooey at home, so I think I'll scan that when I get home from work & attach it to this thread.

Its hard to sort out all the BS & conflicting reports about these guns, so I'm going to keep adding any useful info I find here & I encourage others to do the same!

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Disassembly Instructions:
First the take down screw releases the stock from the metal. the stud that is closest to the barrel unscrews and the u-clip comes free. Gently rotate the barrel and it will disengage from the action, not too vigerously as you can damage the ejector. Once the barrel is off, then remove the 2 screws holding the mag well and then the rear stud unscrews to release the trigger group. ( do not take the trigger group apart) the bolt will slide forward to the open end of the housing and by pulling the cocking handle out , the bolt will slide out of the housing. The firing pin can be removed and the bolt assy soaked in a cleaner. I found a tooth brush does a great job of removing the residue buildup, after cleaning, spray out with brake cleaner or air pressure. Lightly oil and reassemble the bolt firing pin, slide the bolt back into the housing , remembering the cocking handle, replace the barrel ,U-clip ( there is a flat area that the u-clip fits into on the barrel to line up the barrel properly) and front stud, trigger group with the rear stud, mag well with the 2 screws, stock replaced , load the mag and go shoot 'em.

Search Youtube for 'Savage 64' & you will find videos showing disassembly / reassembly, parts cleaning, shooting & reviews.

Here is a link to some extra tips for disassembling a Winchester 490, with great pics!

With regards to the jamming issue:
If you use regular gun oil (even sparingly) or no oil at all, you will get powder residue caked all over the inside of the action. It will jam up. The best thing I've found for lubing rimfire semis is BreakFree CLP. It does not cook off and it removes carbon deposits effortlessly. It will keep a semi running trouble free. You have to see it to believe how well it works.

Also, test some cartridges & see what she likes!

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Many of the jamming problems can be linked to a worn mag also. It is made of pot metal and gets worn by the bolt sliding across the top when reloading and by the case rims as they are under pressure by the mag spring from the bottom. Usually a new mag solves the problem.

I found that dry assembly lasted the longest between cleanings ( tried light oil etc.), but as a matter of maintenance, I clean after each brick. But others prefer other methods.
 
WinnipegToymaker
All your posts, to date, regarding the '64 should just be amassed and, made a sticky. People won't have to use the "search" feature!

..uh oh..upon using the search feature, I'm not seeing your 3 years worth of typing! I can only see 150 posts and, they only go back to November. Any one have an extra Crow I can eat? [/COLOR]

I have owned my(first and, still cherished) 64 for about 25 years. It did take a lot of "learning the hard way" before I learned to love it. I have tried many different lubes over time and, found that, running it dry to use and, oiled for storage works best for me. I also found that "ammo selection" is directly proportional to enjoyemnt. Once I found that, the take down and, cleaning every 500-1000 rounds, is an enjoyable experience, it became an adoration.

Sharp 21
I hope your detailed instructions come to use for other 64 owner/operators! They will not require the search feature. I love the fact that these gems are: affordable, easy to operate and, an "undersung" pleasure. I'm terribly, terribly worried that, once word gets out, prices will go through the roof!!!
 
sharp21 said:
I've got a Cooey 64 that I would like to build.

I've heard before that the Savage 64 is the same gun, so that means all the parts will fit? Even for the various models of Savage 64's?

What is the difference between a Winchester 64, a 64a & a 64b? Will all the parts interchange?

There are some good parts available at GunPartsCorp.com

Additionally you can get savage spares straight from the factory, including an AcuTrigger! But will it all fit an old Cooey?

Thanks
S.
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Why build one. I have a 64b in the box never used that I would let go!:sniper:
 
I've heard a few people mention to fire it dry, to avoid the jamming. I'm gonna try the BreakFree CLP next. I'm also ordering up another mag to see how that goes.

To clarify my previous post, you CANNOT get an accutrigger from Savage. They don't sell them at all & they are not a direct replacement for their regular trigger.

I received my 64 from my Grandfather for my 14th birthday, but I had shot it previous to that. It had the plastic clip & my Dad eventually had it swapped out for the metal clip. I hadn't shot it for years, but would clean it up maybe once a year, although I've never disassembled it. 2 years ago I finally moved back to my home town & got my PAL so that I could buy ammo! When I get home from work next time I'm going to strip her down for a full cleaning & burn some rounds.

I always found that you really had to dig for info on these guns, so I am going to keep digging but will post everything I find here, to make a Cooey 64 information depository!

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Edit: Gunsaholic; PM sent
 
Here is a nice little tip!

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Originally Posted by Grizzlypeg
I had one, I liked it. I wish I had known how to take it apart. I used to just flush the action out with WD40 to get all the grit out.

Not a "true cleaning" but, if you substitue Brake Cleaner for WD40, you'll manage a lot more rounds between cleaning or, issues. Nice if you're out and, they start to misbehave.
 
Full custom 64b!

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Where does a guy get a stock like that?

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The H. W. Cooey Machine & Arms Company was a Canadian firearms manufacturer located in Cobourg, Ontario, Canada, from 1903 until 1961. In April of 1961, H.W. Cooey Machine and Arms Company Limited was sold to the Olin-Mathieson Ltd. of St. Laurent, Quebec and became a division of Winchester-Western (Canada) Ltd. At that point, the manufacture of Winchesters (primarily for Winchester Canada) began and continued through the mid-1970s (see also: Iver Johnson). Cooey ceased production in 1979.

Part of the reason I like the Cooeys is that my wifes family is from Cobourg & I have lived there myself. My father-in-law told me a story one time about how the day the factory closed down & they sold the remaining stock was the only day he was late for school (he was a teacher). When the principal asked him where he was he replied "Buying a shotgun". Nothing more was ever said about it.

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Cooey 64B = Sears 6C = Winchester 490 = Savage 64

The Savages are broken down as follows:

MODEL 64F The standard model, has black synthetic stock.
MODEL 64F CAMO Model with Synthetic Realtree Hardwoods HD camo stock.
MODEL 64G model with Monte Carlo style, walnut finished hardwood stock
MODEL 64FSS Has stainless finish and upgraded to fiber optic sights.
MODEL 64BTV Has laminated thumbhole stock.

Looks like the 490 was produced from 1974 to 1977, with the 6C being the same, BUT the Canadian 6c was a 64 & the American 6C was a 490, which differs in trim... Confused yet?

The Cooey 64 was obviously the first one, but when did production start & where does the 64a fit in?

From WT: There was a Cooey 64 plastic, then the Cooey64 metal mag,Winchester 64A then Lakefield Mossberg 64B, The 64C was manufactured for Sears ( Simpson Sears). Many models are stamped different as the company changed hands and many left over parts were used up before production started in the new owners names.I have not owned the Savage 64. But much info was garnered from the CEO of Savage whom I had direct contact with or seeing a gun at the range.

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I also have the Winchester 490 which Winchester made for the USA market. It is also called a Cooey 6C. But it is a completely different gun than the Cooey 64s and is fed by a steel mag which is much like the Lakefield Mark II mag. The stock is really the same dimensions as the high power rifles to give it that "big gun" feel. It is stamped " made in canada" on the barrel.
 
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sharp21 said:
Here is a nice little tip!

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Originally Posted by Grizzlypeg
I had one, I liked it. I wish I had known how to take it apart. I used to just flush the action out with WD40 to get all the grit out.

Not a "true cleaning" but, if you substitue Brake Cleaner for WD40, you'll manage a lot more rounds between cleaning or, issues. Nice if you're out and, they start to misbehave.
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Whoever added the brake cleaner part must be a true genius...lol! If only he could shoot...

I find the "hinkiness" to begin between 500 and, 1000rds (depends on the ammo) and, if you're still having fun, a good flushing of brakecleaner means no take down. Still nothing like a good 'ol take down and, scrub...it actually only adds about 10-15 minutes.
 
No offence intended!

WinnipegToymaker: I meant no disrespect to fellow member GrizzlyPeg.

Check out post #9
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=547291&highlight=substitue+Brake+Cleaner+WD40

I'm sorry for the mixup...I KNOW that guy doesn't shoot super-well!



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Full custom 64b!

Where does a guy get a stock like that?

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That stock was a one-off. If you're creative and, have the time, you can build just about anything for them. One of the reasons those 10/22's are so popular is the ability to dress them up (like a Barbie). I'm trying to find the pics/posts about a pair of 64's that were made and, shown here, on CGN! (I thought it was member NavyShooter but, search feature tells em I'm worng.

Currently invlved in a "hydridizing" project...I've got a standard Savage Mag in a cage with a 25 rd Butler Creek....So far nothing, Maybe if I played some "mood music" or, get off my butt with these projects!
 
camster said:
One of the reasons those 10/22's are so popular is the ability to dress them up (like a Barbie). I'm trying to find the pics/posts about a pair of 64's that were made and, shown here, on CGN! (I thought it was member NavyShooter but, search feature tells em I'm worng.
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Yeah the 10/22's are nice. I really wish there were some peep sights available for the 64... Then I could stop flip flopping about getting a 10/22!

Has anybody seen peeps custom fitted to a 64?

S.
 
The 64 is a Dovetail receiver correct?

Bit of an update, while trying to free up the barrel after 20+ years I broke the Ejector! A quick call to Western Gun Parts & a new one is in the mail, plus 2 mags. I just hope that ejector fits...

S.
 
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