Corrosive ammo virgin, what is the proper cleaning procedure?

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Just dive into the world of SKS and will probably be doing milsurp if allowed by range.

I read a lot of horror stories regarding using corrosive ammo so what do I need to do to avoid problems? What material is the best/cheapest to clean after shooting?

I do have a habit of cleaning the same day after going to range or at most.. 2 days. Is that ok?

Should I keep a complete separate set of cleaning tools from the tools I use on other guns?

Are there any places I can get replaceable parts for SKS in case of anything down the road?

If the unfortunate thing happened how do I clean off the rust found on the gun?

Thanks in advance. Milsurp is new to me but I guess getting into 7.62 you can't really avoid corrosive stuff unless you wanna pay top dollar?
 
Hot water solves all your problems. I wouldn't let it sit for more than a day before cleaning, but that's just me.

Pour hot water into the barrel and into the gas system if you can. Then clean as normal.
 
Best to clean same day if possible no more than 1 day after. Have been using China's finest corrosive for a few years and after 2 days you can see problems starting. This is with an average of100-150 rounds at a time. Hot water and dish detergent works for me with the emphasis on HOT🔥. I strip it right down and take out the firing pin as well.

Once you have done it a few times it goes a lot faster. I wash my tools after use and by calibre default I have one set of tools for my SKS (too big for my 22). One of the Vancouver sponsors sells individual parts but I can't remember the name off hand.
 
Urine comrade....free and plentiful if you bring drinking water to the range.
Or just use the water....that works too.
 
Just dive into the world of SKS and will probably be doing milsurp if allowed by range.

I read a lot of horror stories regarding using corrosive ammo so what do I need to do to avoid problems? What material is the best/cheapest to clean after shooting?

I do have a habit of cleaning the same day after going to range or at most.. 2 days. Is that ok?

Should I keep a complete separate set of cleaning tools from the tools I use on other guns?

Are there any places I can get replaceable parts for SKS in case of anything down the road?

If the unfortunate thing happened how do I clean off the rust found on the gun?

Thanks in advance. Milsurp is new to me but I guess getting into 7.62 you can't really avoid corrosive stuff unless you wanna pay top dollar?

All you have to do is clean it with hoppes or outers or what is on sale then put a thin layer of CLP on it. It has worked on two SKS with two different surplus ammo for me. After cleaning it just check on it the next day or two or three then at least once a month. Just get the cheapest gun cleaner/ nitro solvent and CLP.

Best to clean it day of. The gun won't burst into rust in a day though. 2 days of not cleaning might get some surface rust. If you are in a hurry quickly wipe down with rag and put a bunch of CLP all over it. I did this recently and did not clean for 4 or 5 days. Zero rust

You don't need to keep cleaning tool separate from other guns.

Hi-cal and west rifle have the best selection I have seen for replacement SKS parts.

If you get rust it will probably be surface rust. Assuming you check on it for a couple days then at least once a month. Just brush it off with the gun cleaning tooth brush. Might want to use some gun cleaning liquid to help. Then put CLP on that area.

Corrosive ammo is not some deadly gun killer that some people make it out to be. Clean it and put CLP on it. If you are going to do the hot water thing then for sure put CLP on it. The bolt face barrel and gas assembly is where you most likely see rust. Don't forget to put CLP on the gas rod where it touches the tube. In my experience this is where most rust happens
 
For me, I only use water to make my coffee before cleaning the guns.

I have been using G96 nitro solvent and never had a spot of rust. Spray it in to the bolt, gas port, barrel and gas tube. Scrub everything with a toothbrush and then follow up cleaning with a thin film of G96 oil wiped on with a cloth and an oil soaked patch through the bore and gas piston followed by a dry patch.

Basically a similar cleaning to any of my other guns, no water or crazy cocktails needed. Simple really, salt attracts water, oil displaces it. As long as there is a film of oil the rust will not form.
 
Climate is important too. Someone in Alberta might be able to get away with questionable cleaning just because the humidity is so low. Ontario- maybe not. I have a dedicated kettle I keep in the workshop which I use for both corrosive and black powder. Once you get a technique (like holding it with welding gloves, finding a good funnel, etc) you'll wonder why you ever worried about cleaning after corrosive. Armies and governments have tried forever to find an alternative and those have included alcohol based solvents (like Hoppes #9) but, while the salts in question have a certain limited solubility in ethanol and methanol, it's orders of magnitude lower than in tap water. I also like how the boiling water has usually evaporated by the time I'm ready to do a second pass with regular solvent and oil.

milsurpo
 
Break your rifle down to field strip level at the range when your done shooting your rifle. I do this right st the bench. Then I'm going to plug it again but I discovered Ballistol cleans up corrosive salts perfectly by itself. However for the cheapo in my in recommend spray your rifle with water mixed with a bit of ballistol if you find the liquid otherwise tap water is fine but do this when the rifle is hot hense it will dry. Then spray it with ballistol and your done. Be sure to get all the springs and don't forget your bayonet if you have it extended while firing.
 
From another thread...


You guys must have missed my article in the NFA-CFJ.
Here is the text:


NFA CFJ The Ammonia Myth Dean Roxby

Word count 1666


There is a long-standing myth that a certain cleaning product can instantly protect your rifle from the damage caused by corrosive ammunition. Let’s take a closer look at this belief.

First, we need to understand exactly what happens when corrosive ammo is used. The issue starts with the priming compound used during manufacture of the primer. There are several chemicals that can, or have been used for the primer compound. Many years ago, during the black powder era, Mercury Fulminate was the main priming compound used. However, after the switch to modern smokeless powders, Mercury Fulminate was found to be unsuitable. The US Army discontinued its use as far back as 1898. Most modern day western ammo is loaded with NON-corrosive primers made with lead styphnate (lead 2,4,6-trinitroresorcinate, C6HN3O8Pb ). Recently, there has been a move to non-toxic lead-free chemicals, due to concerns of inhaling lead pollutants from the fired lead styphnate.

However, the chemical compound that causes the average shooter the greatest concern is Potassium Chlorate, or KClO3. (One Potassium atom, one Chlorine atom, and three Oxygen atoms forming the compound or molecule.) KClO3 is the chemical of choice for Eastern Bloc countries, partially because it functions well at very cold temperatures. Thus, the many millions of rounds of cheap surplus ComBloc ammo that we currently enjoy present an issue. That issue, of course, is how to deal with the corrosive salts left within the barrel after firing. Upon firing, the Potassium ChlorATE molecule chemically transforms into Potassium ChlorIDE, or KCl. (As it rapidly decomposes, it also releases its Oxygen atoms, serving as a source of oxygen for other chemicals within the priming mixture.) As the KClO3 contained within the primer changes to KCl, it is carried down the barrel along with the burning propellant. Naturally, some portion is left on the bare steel of the bore, as well as throughout the gas system if you are using a semi auto. KCl is very similar to ordinary table salt, Sodium Chloride, or NaCl. As with table salt, KCl absorbs moisture and promotes rusting. Imagine what might happen if you sprinkled extremely fine table salt down your bore, then left it in a humid environment for a while.

So much for the chemistry lesson, how to deal with the problem? There seems to be all manner of ideas and opinions offered online. By far the most prevalent is that Windex magically takes care of everything. While Windex is a fine product for its intended purpose (Cleaning windows…), it was never intended to be a barrel cleaning product. The wisdom is that the ammonia destroys the corrosive salts. Where this myth first originated is unknown, but it has gained a lot of traction. Unfortunately, there are several flaws with it.

Firstly, in spite of the trade name Ammonia-D, it contains very little actual ammonia.
(Technically, ammonia is a gas at room temperature and atmospheric pressure. When it is dissolved in water it is called ammonium hydroxide.) Because of its pungent smell, the cleaning product has been reformulated to contain very little ammonia. I tried to find out from SC Johnson, the parent company what the percentage is, but that is proprietary information. However, their website does state “Household ammonia has a strong odour; by using ammonium hydroxide in combination with other ingredients, we can achieve the same cleaning results while using much less ammonia.”

Secondly, Potassium Chloride is almost completely insoluble in ammonia. One Kg of ordinary tap water at 25*C will dissolve 360 grams of KCl. Compare that to liquid ammonia only being able to dissolve 0.4 grams of KCl. That is 900 times LESS effective than warm tap water.

Thirdly, the ammonia in Windex is used as a “surfactant”. A surfactant helps to break down grease and oils on the surface of the item being cleaned. Removing greasy fingerprints from glass is what Windex does best. However, this same degreasing action will leave your bore as bare metal, prone to rusting. Yes, a light coat of oil afterwards will protect against this. However, the supposed advantage of the Ammonia Myth is that it is so simple. One squirt and you are done.

Fourth, if you did locate some really concentrated ammonium hydroxide, leaving it in your barrel would likely damage the steel you are trying to protect. There are several bore cleaners that DO use ammonia, but they are specifically designed for copper fouling removal. The ammonia (in strong concentrations) does remove copper build up. However, these products generally warn against leaving it in the barrel more than 15 minutes. Over an extended period, it can attack the steel. More importantly, it creates an alkali (opposite of acidic) environment that promotes rusting on its own, separate from the bare metal issue noted above.

Finally, those that advise “Just spray Windex down the barrel” seldom mention the gas system. I recently saw a fine looking Czech VZ 52/57 that absolutely would not cycle due to a frozen up gas system. Apparently, my friend loaned his rifle to his friend, who then rusted the gas system solid. We were unable to free it that day, or since. I don’t know if it will ever be salvageable.

What do I suggest to remove the salts? Boiling hot water, nothing more. A kettle full of boiling water will take care of all the salt deposits perfectly. I have a dedicated electric kettle just for that purpose, for which I paid $3 at a garage sale several years ago. You will need some sort of funnel to direct the water into the chamber. I use a plastic one meant for car oil changes that came from a dollar store. The great thing about boiling water is that it heats the steel enough that there is no residual water remaining afterwards. Remember to apply a light coat of bore cleaner or oil afterwards, as the bore will be bare following the boiling water.

If you are cleaning a semi-auto firearm with a gas system, be sure to clean that as well. I pour the water from breech end through the barrel and out, and into a plastic pail, so I place the internal parts such as the piston and gas cylinder in the pail as well. After the first kettle of water is through the bore, I pour it out and run a second kettle through it again. My thinking is that the water in the pail has a tiny bit of KCl salt in it, so the internal parts get a second rinse of pure clean water.

During WWII, the US military used corrosive ammo, so they created a chemical to combat the salts. Packaged in small olive drab tins, this Rifle Bore Cleaner is still available, although the supply is drying up after 70 years. Be forewarned, it stinks like hell! I used to use this evil stuff, but I now just use the kettle method.

Incidentally, the US military created Rifle Bore Cleaner because they too used corrosive priming at that time. The change over to non-corrosive occurred around the early to mid 1950’s (The various arsenals did not change over all at once.) Oddly enough, the ammo for the M1 Carbine never used corrosive priming. However, the 30-06 Springfield ammo for the M1 Rifle certainly did.

There is a simple test to determine if your ammo is corrosive or not. A cynic may say if it comes from “over there somewhere”, it is corrosive. While this is probably not far from the truth, it is not completely accurate. A more definitive method is called the Nail Test. This involves popping a primer over top a bare steel nail, then observing the results. You MUST use bare (Not galvanized or otherwise coated.) mild steel nails. You can sandpaper the shaft of the nail to give more surface area if you wish. Hammer several nails into a block of wood, leaving enough of the nail exposed to place a cartridge case over. Remove the bullet from a live round, discard the powder, and place the live primed empty case over the nail. With a hammer and centre punch, pop the primer, thereby covering the nail with primer soot. Then set the test aside for several days in a humid environment, perhaps the bathroom. Besides the suspect ammo sample, it is a very good idea to have some controls to compare to. A known corrosive round will serve as a positive control, while a known non-corrosive round acts as a negative control. You may also want to leave one nail untouched also. The idea is that if the corrosive control does not rust, either your nail is plated or stainless steel, or your room is not humid enough. If your negative control or untouched nail does rust, then perhaps your bathroom is too humid! The expected result is that the known corrosive positive control should rust, the non-corrosive negative control as well as the unfired control should NOT be rusted, and the mystery round may or may not be.

As you will be detonating live primers during this method, safety is a MUST. First and foremost is eye protection. It does not take much to damage your vision permanently. Protect yourself! A full face shield over top of glasses is the way to go. Ear protection is not mandatory, but recommended. And leather gloves will defend your hands from stray bits of primer, should one pop free of the case.

And another word about safety. I once spilled boiling hot water out of the breech and onto my foot. Unfortunately, I was only wearing socks, no shoes. I scalded myself badly, so now I always wear proper footwear while pouring a kettle of HOT water through the barrel.


Reference:

Hatchers Notebook by Major General Julian S. Hatcher, US Army (Ret)
Pages 346-350

International Forensic Science and Investigation Series
Chemical Analysis of Firearms, Ammunition, and Gunshot Residue
By James Smyth Wallace
Pages 43-56

Corrosive Primer Redux .pdf by M. E. Podany

https://nfa.ca/news-media/cfj/page/2/
May-June 2106, page 41 if you want the published version.
 
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[CODE[/CODE]Remove stock, and bolt carrier separate bolt, deploy bayonet stick it in the ground and pour hot water down it ( threw the chamber) give the bolt and carrier a good wash the gas tube too trying not to wet the wood to much . Then clean as you would normally ( patches and bore brush ) oil lightly.many different methods same goal is to get her clean of Corrosive salts. Find one that work for you .a boot lace and engine oil have served for many !:wave:
 
Windex! Just kidding Tootall. As others have said, and I do the same, hot/boiling water to remove the corrosive salts...
 
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