I think 12.6 is correct. Anyway, my son-in-law has his PAL with restricted and prohibited possession allowed, he has dealer status, heck he even has museum status. So you think he could own just about anything right? Well his uncle passed away and left him a Luger. Should be no problem, right? The people at the gun registry say he has to have another prohibited clearance for section 12.6 and tried to seize and destroy the pistol. Fortunately, he redirected the Luger to a local military museum where it is safe, but could someone explain why he isn't allowed to own this pistol. What else beyond restricted and prohibited is there?
Could someone explain 12.6?
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there is different prohibited classes 12.2 is for full auto 12.3 is converted auto 12.5 is prohibited long guns and 12.6 is prohibited pistols 12.7 is for prohibited pistols made before 1945 that are handed down from family this class only allows you to own guns handed down you cant buy more
i dont think you can own personal firearms on a business license of any sort that i if he has prohibited endorsements on that license
i dont think you can own personal firearms on a business license of any sort that i if he has prohibited endorsements on that license
Thanks, I'll check his PAL. He specifically requested he be registered for all classes of pistols as he is registered as a dealer and plans on eventually selling pistols. Apparently someone wasn't listening. The Luger might be pre 1945, we don't know anything about his uncle before the 50's.
You are incorrect. Any business can get a prohibited licence, provided he is carrying out an activity that is described in section 22 of the Firearms Act (Prescribed Purposes).
So it has nothing to do with wether you had it or not when the law came into effect, and everything to do with the nature of the business. Very different rules for businesses Vs. individuals.
Prescribed Purposes
22. The following purposes are prescribed for the purposes of subsection 11(2) of the Act:
(a) the performance of a contract entered into by the Government of Canada, the government of a province, the government of a municipality acting on behalf of a police force or a police force, or by a person acting on behalf of such a government or a police force;
(b) export to a country under a contract entered into between the Government of Canada and the government of that country;
(c) the manufacture, maintenance, repair or modification of a prohibited firearm, prohibited weapon or prohibited device, or any component or part thereof, or the manufacture of prohibited ammunition or of ammunition for a prohibited firearm, if the business intends to export the firearm, weapon, device, component, part or ammunition under an export permit issued under the Export and Import Permits Act;
(d) the inspection, development or testing of a prohibited firearm, prohibited weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition, or any component or part thereof, for or on behalf of
(i) the holder of an export permit issued under the Export and Import Permits Act,
(ii) a public officer, as defined in subsection 117.07(2) of the Criminal Code, who is acting in the course of his or her duties or employment, or
(iii) the Canadian Forces;
(e) the development or testing of ammunition for export to a country included on the Automatic Firearms Country Control List established under section 4.1 of the Export and Import Permits Act;
(f) use in respect of motion picture, television, video or theatrical production or in publishing activities;
(g) the manufacture of replica firearms for use in respect of motion picture, television, video or theatrical production or in publishing activities;
(h) display, demonstration, repair, restoration, maintenance, preservation or storage for or by a museum;
(i) display or storage by a branch of the Royal Canadian Legion or an organized group of veterans of any armed forces of Canada or of a police force;
(j) in respect of prohibited handguns, handgun barrels within the meaning of paragraph (b) of the definition “prohibited device” in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code or magazine cartridges under section 3 of Part 4 of the Schedule to the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted, the use by businesses whose principal activity is the handling, transportation or protection of cash, negotiable instruments or other goods of substantial value and whose employees require prohibited handguns to protect their lives in the course of that activity;
(k) the maintenance, repair, modification or storage of a prohibited firearm, or any component or part thereof, on behalf of a person licensed to possess prohibited firearms or on behalf of a public officer, as defined in subsection 117.07(2) of the Criminal Code, who is acting in the course of his or her duties or employment;
(l) the manufacture, maintenance, repair or modification of a prohibited weapon or prohibited device, or any component or part thereof, for the purpose of supplying it to a public officer, as defined in subsection 117.07(2) of the Criminal Code, who is acting in the course of his or her duties or employment;
(m) the development, modification or testing of a prohibited firearm, prohibited weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition, or any component or part thereof, for the purpose of training, or supplying goods or training materials used in the training of, a public officer, as defined in subsection 117.07(2) of the Criminal Code, who is acting in the course of his or her duties or employment;
the development, modification or testing of a prohibited firearm, prohibited weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition, or any component or part thereof, for the purpose of exporting goods or training materials to be used in the training of a police officer, or a member of the armed forces of a state other than Canada, who is acting in the course of his or her duties or employment;
(o) the possession of a prohibited firearm, prohibited weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition, or any component or part thereof, for the purpose of supplying it to a public officer, as defined in subsection 117.07(2) of the Criminal Code, who is acting in the course of his or her duties or employment;
(p) the development or testing of body armour, armoured security vehicles or other devices or materials designed to prevent or limit penetration by ammunition, including prohibited ammunition, discharged from a firearm;
(q) the development or testing of processes, devices or materials designed to prevent, limit or counteract the effects of prohibited weapons;
(r) the development or testing of ammunition for a prohibited firearm or of components or parts of ammunition for a prohibited firearm;
(s) the possession of a prohibited firearm for sale on consignment, on behalf of a person licensed to possess prohibited firearms;
(t) the possession of a prohibited handgun — that, beginning on December 1, 1998, was continuously in the inventory of the business, and in respect of which a copy of a record was sent before that date to the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and received by that officer — for the purpose of transfer to a business that is the holder of a licence issued for any of the prescribed purposes set out in any of the other paragraphs of this section or to an individual described in subsection 12(6) of the Act;
(u) the possession of a handgun barrel within the meaning of paragraph (b) of the definition “prohibited device” in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code — that, beginning on December 1, 1998, was continuously in the inventory of the business — for the purpose of transfer to a business that is the holder of a licence issued for any of the prescribed purposes set out in any of the other paragraphs of this section;
(v) the performance of services as a customs broker by a business that holds a licence under subsection 9(1) of the Customs Act;
(w) the operation of a sufferance warehouse for the examination of imported goods that have not been released by a business that holds a licence under paragraph 24(1)(a) of the Customs Act;
(x) training in the safe handling and use and identification of prohibited firearms, prohibited weapons, prohibited devices or prohibited ammunition given to a public agent as defined in section 1 of the Public Agents Firearms Regulations or to an employee of a business that is the holder of a licence issued for any of the prescribed purposes set out in any of the other paragraphs of this section;
(z) the manufacture, maintenance, repair or modification of a prohibited firearm, prohibited weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition, or any component or part of any of those things, for the purpose of performing a contract with a business that is the holder of a licence issued for any of the prescribed purposes set out in any of other paragraphs of this section.
apologies if this is a derail but, what if someone had an FAC back in the '80's and let it laps. Then went through the courses and got RPAL, is there any way to turn the clock back to get 12.6?
As an individual, if you lose 12(6) status even for a moment, you can never get it back.
Letting a 12(6) license temporarily lapse would do it, for example.
I believe that even includes having all of your 12(6) examples stolen.
They're real gung-ho about it being a "grandfathering-only" category.
Letting a 12(6) license temporarily lapse would do it, for example.
I believe that even includes having all of your 12(6) examples stolen.
They're real gung-ho about it being a "grandfathering-only" category.
I have 12(6) status, and I don't even understand it. I just know I better NEVER sell my last 12(6) or have my licence lapse. I would never get it back.
But I can tell you of a true story. My co-worker, also 12(6) had all his handguns stolen in 2006. His PAL, when he went to renew, did not have 12(6) on it, as he was no longer in posession of prohibited pistols. Fast forward to 2010, police recovered three of his pistols, one being a 12(6). They were returned to him, he called the CFC and had his 12(6) status reinstated.
I've heard alot of guys saying over the years, they applied and received prohib status. I call all BS (unless they are granted 12(7), very different). I've also heard guys saying because they work at a gun shop, or range, or were in the military, or are applying to a police force, or their grandpa gave them this or that, they will/are grandfathered for 12(6). There are, as of 1995 (I think that was the date) no new 12(6) eligible individuals, ever. And absolutely no previously unregistered prohibs (yes, that's Grandpa's Luger that he has had in his attic for 70 years) can be entered into the system.
Can anyone understand that? Because I can't. The only reason I have 12(6) id becuase my Dad brought home and registered a Luger in 1946, and gave it to me before 1995.
But I can tell you of a true story. My co-worker, also 12(6) had all his handguns stolen in 2006. His PAL, when he went to renew, did not have 12(6) on it, as he was no longer in posession of prohibited pistols. Fast forward to 2010, police recovered three of his pistols, one being a 12(6). They were returned to him, he called the CFC and had his 12(6) status reinstated.
I've heard alot of guys saying over the years, they applied and received prohib status. I call all BS (unless they are granted 12(7), very different). I've also heard guys saying because they work at a gun shop, or range, or were in the military, or are applying to a police force, or their grandpa gave them this or that, they will/are grandfathered for 12(6). There are, as of 1995 (I think that was the date) no new 12(6) eligible individuals, ever. And absolutely no previously unregistered prohibs (yes, that's Grandpa's Luger that he has had in his attic for 70 years) can be entered into the system.
Can anyone understand that? Because I can't. The only reason I have 12(6) id becuase my Dad brought home and registered a Luger in 1946, and gave it to me before 1995.
It's internally consistent, the goal is to minimize the number of people who have 12(6) status as time goes on.
If that doesn't work for you there is always Dave Tomlinson's great observation - "It doesn't have to make sense, it's Government policy..."
I've pleasantly surprised that the theft victim got his 12(6) status back. Don't bet on that ever happening again.
If that doesn't work for you there is always Dave Tomlinson's great observation - "It doesn't have to make sense, it's Government policy..."
I've pleasantly surprised that the theft victim got his 12(6) status back. Don't bet on that ever happening again.
'K, so Joe. I am a 12(7) designate RPAL. I had an FAC and it lapsed (duh, I know, don't ask. no guns at the time 20 something and moving every other month...) On my renewal, I've lost my 12(7) status...It now states that I am allowed to possess prohibs, but not acquire them, only restricted and non-restricted can be acquired.
Can I turn the clock back to '95? The gun in question was not in my posetion, but was in the family and coming to me and when I tried to renew the government changed the system forcing me into these training sessions for my RPAL. I was pissing mad at the time having to pay out money I didn't really have vs. the FAC structure which was basically pay $10 and answer the 7 questions in the affirmative...ever been to prison? Separated/Divorced in the last 6 months? Are you now or have you ever been nuts? ect, ect.
