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hello guys

A Buddy of mine want to buy a counter sniper scope. I personnally never heard of them before, but I am not the most knowledgeable in term of scope!

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Given the fact that I never heard of CS optics, and that I found some negative reviews and no good one. I think I would not even touch them with a 10 foot pole. If I was buying for myself I would be pretty conservative and buy a known brand.

They are sometime described a total junk scope. Are they realy that bad? If so, how can they be charging 1000$ and some of them over 4-5k?


Can you help me try to find him an alternative??

-He wants a scope that he can hunt with in very low light (he missed a buck at dusk this year that he could see in the binoculars).

-He wants a 34-35 mm tube (he thinks its helps picking more light wich I am not sure)

-He wants a reticle

-budget around 1k$


Thanks alot for your help guys!
 
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With that out of the way.

1) Glass quality is the #1 aspect in light gathering. Cheap scopes often try to get around bad glass by using giant elements. A Nightforce 2.5-10x42mm optic would likely gather more light than a cheap China knockoff with a 56mm objective.
2) Tube width is often a better indication of total elevation travel of the scope, but not always. It could limit the size of the internal elements, but this again, is mitigated with good glass.
3) A ranging reticle? All scopes would have a reticle. -> Standard here would be mildot, but manufacturers offer their own different reticles, some with built in drop compensation, some with easier ranging, reticle choice is a very personal thing.

We need more info to make a good recommendation.

If 95% of his shooting is at deer, at under 300 yards, I'd go with a Viper 1-4x Viper PST. It has an illuminated reticle for low light, and has very bright glass. I find that when I'm hunting deer it's almost always on 1x. It's a 30mm tube, so bigger than the standard 1".
If he wants to shoot competition, and get into long range stuff, then a different scope, would be the recommendation.

All things considered, I would probably recommend the 1-4x Viper PST for the majority of Canadian deer hunters. Less magnification equals less perceived shake. Also, the more magnification, the darker the scope, that part is physics.
 
I wouldn't trust a Counter Sniper Optic enough to use as a paper weight.
Save your money and buy something that won't self-destruct.

There are plenty of great options, even if you don't break the bank.
Vortex Viper PST is my preference at their price point. There's also Bushnell, Sightron and Leupold VX-3.
Beyond that, you have Nightforce, and then up to Zeiss, Swarovski, S&B, etc.
 
Never heard of them.
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That said, try to get your buddy into a shop to put eyes to glass. Some people have different eyes, I saw a guy at P&D pick a smaller, less expensive scope because it was giving him better clarity than a larger more expensive scope. What works best for one person might not be so good for another.

I've had the chance to demo a few Leupold scopes, and I was rather impressed. There are definitely some mighty fine optics between $500 to $1000. In particular the Leupold VX-R scopes looked great. Good clarity and a variety of Firedot reticles if so desired.
 
If it has Sniper in the branding, RUN, RUN, don't look back, Just RUNNNNNNNN.......

For your buddy, have a look at the Sightron SIII series of scopes. You will see it if the light is legal to shoot it.

Lots of features and options well under your budget.

What I use on my hunting rifle, SII Big Sky 3-9X42 w/ HHR. Simple, super optics, tracking, lightweight and a reasonable size. Huge eye relief. All goodness for way less then you think. I have yet to find a 1" scope that offers better optics then these SII Big Sky products.

Quality lenses and coatings are far more important then a huge scope tube. 1" or 30mm of quality stuff is all you will ever need. My preference is 30mm in a target scope.

Jerry
 
You confirmed what I was thinking about the counter sniper.

He hunts around a field and he could see deer way over 300 yards maybe 6-700 yards. I am not telling that he wants to shoot that far but he definatly can see them them far.

He says that he would like a scope with a magnification that can go up to 25 with some sort of ranging reticle.

He is shooting a 7mm wsm. And he is conviced that he wants a tube larger than 30mm. I will tell him to do some reading...
 
Mystic Precision said:
If it has Sniper in the branding, RUN, RUN, don't look back, Just RUNNNNNNNN.......

For your buddy, have a look at the Sightron SIII series of scopes. You will see it if the light is legal to shoot it.

Lots of features and options well under your budget.

What I use on my hunting rifle, SII Big Sky 3-9X42 w/ HHR. Simple, super optics, tracking, lightweight and a reasonable size. Huge eye relief. All goodness for way less then you think. I have yet to find a 1" scope that offers better optics then these SII Big Sky products.

Quality lenses and coatings are far more important then a huge scope tube. 1" or 30mm of quality stuff is all you will ever need. My preference is 30mm in a target scope.

Jerry
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It should be noted that the SWFA Super Sniper line of optics has a generally good reputation.
Min you, they don't appear to be available in Canada at this time, but just saying.

But to reiterate, for the love of all that is good in this world, stay the hell away fro CounterSniper garbage.
 
It should be noted that the SWFA Super Sniper line of optics has a generally good reputation.
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I think so too ... but my last real use of one was over a decade ago (!!??!!) dont know how they compare today
 
Benito said:
It should be noted that the SWFA Super Sniper line of optics has a generally good reputation.
Min you, they don't appear to be available in Canada at this time, but just saying..
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I've had a x12 SWFA Super Sniper scope on a medium-weight LH Savage .308Win rifle for the last six years down in Oregon, and was a. amazed at the apparent quality when I got it, and b. still amazed at the apparent quality after six years as a pick-up transported knockabout rifle.

It holds the zero, 'sees' into woodland and heavy brush, and adjusts as well as any of my Nightforce or Leupold scopes at four or five times the price. I guess I got the 'good one'. As you know, it can get pretty damp in Oregon, but it has never fogged or let a drop in.

I know a few folks with the bigger mags, but when I got mine that was all they had to sell. Sportsman's Warehouse even mounted it with some nice locally-made Warne rings, too [thanks, Ken].

If you only have a smaller budget, there ARE good optics out there - I've never gone wong with older El Paso-made Weavers either.

tac
 
Just for clarification, Super Sniper and Counter Sniper are two different and separate companies. I've read good things about Super Sniper, but never heard a good word about Counter Sniper.

Regardless, Botts, that badger is hilarious!!
 
I have two of their 1-4x Crusader scopes - one on my FS2000, and the other on my RFB. Their marketing literature was probably produced by one of Obama's speech writers - excellent at self-promotion. That said, for the price I paid for them (around 300 bucks each), they perform very well. The glass is clear, the reticule is crisp, and the image is bright. I have hunted with the RFB for 3 years now, and the optic worked exceptionally well (still on my first battery for the illuminated reticule). Our typical range is inside 100m and the rare long shots are inside 200m, so the 4x magnification is more than enough for me.

If your friend has a grand for a budget, he can easily find something better to hunt with. Like others have said, Nikon, Leupold, NightForce etc, would be great optics - I have no doubt of that. My typical rule of thumb is optics do not exceed 20% of the price of the gun. I'll scrounge around the web and buy something new or used to fit the bill. I did the big money optic on a rifle before Unertl on my Remington 700, and I regretted it.

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Optic on the RFB is in an A.R.M.S. quick release mono mount

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This is a typical group for that rifle/optic combo (bench at 100m)
 
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