Cowboy guns (open top and pre 1894 winchesters)

So what I'm to take from the "fragile" references is that I shouldn't take it into the bush with me for 10+years, shoot 10 000rds through it in a year, or do anything heavily demanding of it. With care and not shooting +P loads it'll still be working after I'm dead though right?:p


Anyways - how about this for exactly what I'm looking for?

( http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Conversions/ManNo%20NameConv.htm# )

"The man with no name" by Cimarron in 38 colt. Only thing is, doesn't seem like there is a single mention of Cimarron revolvers in all of CGN. Any reason for that? Can we not import them, or are they junk?:confused:
 
H Wally said:
"The man with no name" by Cimarron in 38 colt. Only thing is, doesn't seem like there is a single mention of Cimarron revolvers in all of CGN. Any reason for that? Can we not import them, or are they junk?:confused:
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Cimarron revolvers are made by Uberti. Whether anyone beside Cimarron orders that particular model, I couldn't tell you.
 
vega said:
One of the reasons I got outa CAS is the lack of interest in authenticity and historical accuracy in arms and accoutrements. 45LC in a carbine? Never happened, no reason for it today. If you go with .44WCF (.44-40) you will be able to find arms within your budget, be historically accurate and encounter a cartridge that is very easy to get along with and reload for. Because of the thin walls at the mouth, you can resize in regular dies without lube, saves lotso mess and time. In my opinion the best all-around revolver-carbine round ever devised.
As to a long gun, get a '92 original or clone and you will grin yourself into the winning circle and also have a great deer gun. Smokeless no problem if your stuck on that.
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Not really an issue for us SASS folks. We don't try to be completly period correct. We leave that to the folks in COWS. You may want to look them up out your way. I think Rattlesnake Grant is into that and has a group operating.

As to using period correct cartridges, while I think it's pretty cool and using the 44-40 in Holy Black is the ultimate, I often found it difficult to obtain 44-40 and even .44 brass, while .45 Colt was far more plentiful. Hence my switch to .45 Colt in my 1866 and my main stage revolvers, using 5.5 gr of Trail Boss.
A side benefit was not having to clean two revolvers, a lever action rifle and a double barrel shotgun of Holy Black residue after I have dragged my aging sorry ass home from a long day at the range.;)
 
I'm definitely not looking for an original of anything That puma did catch my eye, and certainly looks interesting.

Now, I'm curious though - there's a puma offered from canam at $519(http://www.canadaammo.com/product.ph...9&cat=3&page=1)

and a puma offered from doc rowland at $888 ( http://oldwestguns.ca/products/produ...id_product=259 )


Significantly different prices........ for a guy on a budget, canams seems a lot more attractive in price, though I'm curious about the quality.


Significantly different models. The magazine on the 16" barrel model offered by Canam won't hold the required 10 rounds for most CAS stages.

If your ever in Saskatchewan drop in to one of our CAS Shoots and try a number of different firearms before you buy. Then get what works best for you. Cheaper often costs more if your new gun doesn't work for the style of CAS shooting you decide to persue.
 
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CLK; Starline in the States wuz where I got my brass, 500 in a sack, cheap. As to not wanting to clean your BP iron after a long hot day of shooting, why do you think you almost never find old guns that aren't pitted all to h---.:D
 
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Chuck McCann said:
I'm definitely not looking for an original of anything That puma did catch my eye, and certainly looks interesting.

Now, I'm curious though - there's a puma offered from canam at $519(http://www.canadaammo.com/product.ph...9&cat=3&page=1)

and a puma offered from doc rowland at $888 ( [http://oldwestguns.ca/products/produ...id_product=259 )


Significantly different prices........ for a guy on a budget, canams seems a lot more attractive in price, though I'm curious about the quality.


Significantly different models. The magazine on the 16" barrel model offered by Canam won't hold the required 10 rounds for most CAS stages.

If your ever in Saskatchewan drop in to one of our CAS Shoots and try a number of different firearms before you buy. Then get what works best for you. Cheaper often costs more if your new gun doesn't work for the style of CAS shooting you decide to persue.
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Hmmmm. I think I'll probably not be getting into CAS shooting for a while, so I think the shorter barrel would probably be fine for quite a while. So long story short, it's cheaper because it's not suited to the CAS style of shooting, but it's still a good gun otherwise?

P.S - Not knowing cartridge length, or how much tube is needed once room for springs and plug are subtracted from the OAL mag length, would a 20" barrel work? The Doc Rowland Puma m92 short rifle has a 20 inch barrel and it says that the capacity is 10 rds, so basically trading off for the case hardened reciever offered by doc rowland, I could get the same gun for $288 less (canam $215+$80 for octagonal 20" barrel in 45 lc). I kinda like the look of this...
 
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Assuming you aren't going to hotrod the loads, the Uberti Open Tops are very nice revolvers. I used to have one chambered in 45 Schofield. Brass is available from Starline directly (if order is under $100), or used to be available from Ray'ner Shine in Sask. The biggest reason I sold it was that it shot about 12-14" high at 15yds. This is par for the course with most of the Uberti cap & ball replicas since that's how the originals were sighted. With a 38 cal this is no problem to fix....just remove the front blade and have a dovetail milled into the barrel and mount a higher front sight. With the 45 cal, the barrel wall was pretty thin, and my gunsmith didn't think he could mill in a dovetail. Since the rear sight, if you can call it that, is on the barrel, you can't even file down the top of the hammer and re-notch it like on the 1860 Army. It just got too confusing in a CAS match to remember which revolver shot to point-of-aim, and which one needed point-of-cojones hold on the targets ;)
 
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A side benefit was not having to clean two revolvers, a lever action rifle and a double barrel shotgun of Holy Black residue after I have dragged my aging sorry ass home from a long day at the range.;)
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You gotta admit though the Holy Black is more fun to shoot. Every time I light up my cap n' ball revolver at the range, it attracts attention.
 
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You gotta admit though the Holy Black is more fun to shoot. Every time I light up my cap n' ball revolver at the range, it attracts attention.
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That's very true!!!!!!!
When the OK Valley Kid, Stranger, Rusty Springs et al in our posse, cut loose with their cannons, all the cameras are out and everyone stops what they are doing to watch the fog roll in:D
I've loaded up some .45 in Holy Black, for my RV's, (they won't be too bad to clean), but trying to clean an 1866, when I'm tired, is something I don't want to do.
Some might say I'm too old, fat and lazy I guess.;)
 
If the cleanup is a chore, then stick with one of the bottleneck cases. The cases come out of my '66 44/40 looking almost as good as when they went in. Cleanup after a match consists of squirting some moosemilk (Ballistol/water) down the barrel, pulling a boresnake through a couple times, and wiping down the exterior. The handguns are going to be messy no matter what. The only way you can get similar results, sortof, with 45LC is to basically turn it into a bottleneck case by necksizing the brass, sizing the boolits to .454 or even .455 if your chamber will take it, and running the loads fairly warm. By the time you go through all of that, it's almost easier to just lube the 44/40 brass. YMMV. Another option is to use Adirondack Jack's 45 Cowboy Special brass, which is basically a rimmed 45ACP case and dispenses with all that extra case capacity in the 45LC. Will work in any 45LC chambered handgun, but you need kits to make it work in leverguns (Marlin 94 and Winchester '66 and '73 only).
 
Anyone have an opinion on the Armi Sport octagonal 20 inch barreled regular 1892 model?

I've got an opportunity for one at $700 in like new condition, but that's pushing my budget pretty hard.
 
Got to say for black I loved my marlin cowboy in 45-70 would shoot right up with the more expencive single shots was alot of fun.
 
Wally,

I've been shooting a Puma 92 in .45 colt (24 inch octagon) for about 2 years now. The action and trigger pull were a little rough and heavy out of the box. After about 500 rounds I pulled it apart and did a bit of polishing and lightened a bunch of springs, now it is great. After reading what you are looking for I'd think you would be happy with one.
 
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