Coyote advice please

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I am in the belleville area and I am trying to help a farmer get rid of a coyote and a fox that have taken geese and hens from him over the last few months.

They both show up in the daytime between 1pm and 5pm since that is when the birds are free ran. I have shown up at those times, and i have added meat baits at the outskirts of the farmland for them to come and check out. So far its been 3 afternoons and zero luck. I have also tried a wounded cottontail handcall with no luck.

Any advice on what to do next? Thank you.
 
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I’ve always had better luck at dawn or dusk, but be very careful of the wind, if they get a whif of you they are gone. Sit still be quiet and don’t move, this is more important than camo in my opinion, they have excellent senses so you need to be in full ninja mode. A call and decoy help. Be mindful of your sillouette as well, try to break it up against something, hay bale, tree, hill, whatever. But you never know with these crafty dogs, I’ve been playing with my call shortly after doing some shooting and had them come in out of the blue while I was breaking all of these rules, and I have done everything perfectly and had them watch me from the other side of the field and refuse to come out. Don’t give up, it’s not easy but when one comes in and your hearts racing and you make the shot count it’s worth it. Good luck, shoot straight and remember, ninja.
 
Wind, wind, wind.

And wind..

If you can't get to your stand location without blowing scent to where the coyotes are, don't bother hunting.

Three days is nothing. They're smart. After 30 days of hunting maybe start to worry.
 
flashman2 said:
Wind, wind, wind.

And wind..

If you can't get to your stand location without blowing scent to where the coyotes are, don't bother hunting.

Three days is nothing. They're smart. After 30 days of hunting maybe start to worry.
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What he said, they are very crafty critter's! But they are sure fun to hunt. I agree with Uisge as well. Get in location just before sun up, sit and wait. I often caught them coming out on a sunny morning, just to sit and get the morning warmth of the sun. Just have patience.
 
I hunt north of Madoc and the coyotes up there seem a lot warier than down here in SW Ont.
Can for a few random days the birds be kept in to see if the coyote and fox come in a bit closer to investigate? The other thing to try is a couple crow decoys and a crow call.
 
A trap works 24-7 if they are really pissing off the farmer? Next suggestion pack of hounds, next suggestion good old man powered coyote drive. Calling them is a gamble sometimes they come sometimes the don't. My guess is if you start to hunt them they will either piss off or just kill livestock at night. As to why I suggested a trap it works when you can't
 
My opinion here...
#1 Patience

If they are taking the birds during that 4 hour span, keep sitting it. Over watch in the yard. Be set up before the owner cuts the birds loose to free range

-they are hunting in the yard so scent doesn't matter, it's gonna smell like a farm yard with people anyway.
-setting bait and calling was the wrong move, you shouldn't have done anything but sit the yard and wait.
-as soon as you changed the scenario you changed their pattern.
-they aren't stupid, they'll lay out and watch til it looks safe then scoot in for a bird, you just have to be there when it happens
-we had the same thing happen when I was a kid and sitting for the cagey prick wasn't doing it. My uncle hung a dead chicken from a tree at the corner of the barn close to the bush edge and waited dusk and dawn. The chicken was high enough off the ground that the yote had to stand on hind legs to try for it. Dead dog.
 
If they have an easy food source such as tame birds and you place a bait pile out they wont come to a call and waste their energy. Bait piles are effective most of the time for running power snares and they usually get caught in them in the night hours. I would get rid of the bait and have the farmer keep his birds in a pen for a week. Get them hungry and then use a call and use a distressed bird.
 
Play the wind and you might be able to kill them/him/her but even if you don't (they are smart and if they know you are hunting them) will most likely leave anyway. They have an uncanny ability to learn to live. (coyote's that is-fox not so smart)
 
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BrotherRockeye said:
My opinion here...
#1 Patience

If they are taking the birds during that 4 hour span, keep sitting it. Over watch in the yard. Be set up before the owner cuts the birds loose to free range

-they are hunting in the yard so scent doesn't matter, it's gonna smell like a farm yard with people anyway.
-setting bait and calling was the wrong move, you shouldn't have done anything but sit the yard and wait.
-as soon as you changed the scenario you changed their pattern.
-they aren't stupid, they'll lay out and watch til it looks safe then scoot in for a bird, you just have to be there when it happens
-we had the same thing happen when I was a kid and sitting for the cagey prick wasn't doing it. My uncle hung a dead chicken from a tree at the corner of the barn close to the bush edge and waited dusk and dawn. The chicken was high enough off the ground that the yote had to stand on hind legs to try for it. Dead dog.
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I agree with this guy 110%. If they are already coming around they WILL eventually come to you.

A high percentage of yotes I shoot at my farm are ones that are brazen enough to come right around the yard site in broad daylight, anywhere from 25 - less than 100 yards, the odd one even closer. I've even shot one that was right inside the barn eating cat food. Second to that I get ones that are brave enough to follow the tractors or combine around while I'm in the fields working. I also get the odd one that is in the pasture field with the cattle, these usually end up being long shots, 300-500+ yards. And I get the least number of yotes when I'm actually out looking for them.

Remember the outdoors is their territory not yours. They know what everything looks like and smells like and what is out of place. And most importantly they know if you are in their territory.

The areas around the buildings are you're territory. They know where people usually belong and where they don't. They get used to seeing people around the yard sites, driving equipment in the fields and any other regular things that happen around the place. They get used to this and don't see it as as much of a threat to them. They eventually get brave enough to venture into you're territory. Usually in broad daylight.

If they are coming around you don't have to go into their territory to find them. If you do chances are they will know something is out of place. Set up somewhere around the yard site. If they smell you they won't give it any thought because that is a usual smell in the area. They will make the mistake of coming to you.

Predator control isn't the same game as hunting somewhere out in the middle of nowhere. Stay in the area where they know people belong and they will eventually come to you.

But most importantly don't give up after three days. Coyotes don't need to eat that often. They will come back when they get hungry.

Good luck.
 
Thanks guys, I will follow the advice here. This is quite new to me. A lot of common sense goes a long way! So does the wounded bird call sound like a good idea? (Hen, goose etc...)
 
This is a Double I shot tonight! Patience is key!
If you use bait try freezing it with water so they can’t just grab it and run off. I use a 5g bucket full of scraps and water so they have to hang around and chew on the ice to get the meat.
Good luck, and its addicting!
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Slaymoar said:
Thanks guys, I will follow the advice here. This is quite new to me. A lot of common sense goes a long way! So does the wounded bird call sound like a good idea? (Hen, goose etc...)
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May try a turkey call too.Put out a few turkey decoy, may intice them in. I know the turkeys are rampant north of 7 right now and this may pull in your quarrie
 
cdn1canhunt said:
A trap works 24-7 if they are really pissing off the farmer? Next suggestion pack of hounds, next suggestion good old man powered coyote drive. Calling them is a gamble sometimes they come sometimes the don't. My guess is if you start to hunt them they will either piss off or just kill livestock at night. As to why I suggested a trap it works when you can't
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+1. Calling and shooting coyotes is a great pastime, but it is not a very effective method of targeting particular nuisance animals. It requires a considerable investment of time, patience, effort, skill and that forever elusive variable ... luck. Snaring is the cheapest, most effective method of addressing the issue. Whether you can safely and legally do so in this area is another issue, i.e. provincial trapping regulations, licensing, by-laws, etc.
 
CV32 said:
+1. Calling and shooting coyotes is a great pastime, but it is not a very effective method of targeting particular nuisance animals. It requires a considerable investment of time, patience, effort, skill and that forever elusive variable ... luck. Snaring is the cheapest, most effective method of addressing the issue. Whether you can safely and legally do so in this area is another issue, i.e. provincial trapping regulations, licensing, by-laws, etc.
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Yes sorry you would need a trapping licence to trap for coyotes in Ontario. Unless your township will allow it to protect your livestock.
If you have local hound hunters it sure keeps coyotes on their toes. If not, if you can gather enough physically fit eager young hunters you can drive them on foot.... the calling thing is an art and it's awesome fun, but not the most effective way to remove nuisance coyotes. Trapping is by far the best, most cost effective way to remove pesky coyotes and foxes if you are protecting your livestock.
 
I also am faced with this coyote issue and there’s some great advice in here. Thank you for everyone’s posts.

However, my situation is a bit different. I’ve been tasked with getting rid of coyotes for my uncle. They have taken numberous cats, a baby piglet and now a neighbours small house dog that was let outside to pee. Their pack is getting larger and they are close to switching from just being bold to being aggressive. Chasing a dog on their back lawn. My uncle clipped one in it's back end with a 22 but it wasn’t enough to actually kill it. Where I think might situation is unique is that on each side of his place is animal pens (horses, goats and pigs) then after that is thick brush/trees. On the back size is a few (15-20) acres of pasture with cattle grazing on it. Beyond that is a road and scattered houses. He’s talked to everyone and they are okay with shooting the coyotes inside the 300m that is legally allowed.

The big question I have is what round should I use? Most shots will be inside 100 yards with the longest (and very unlikely) shot being 200 yards. Also keep in mind that any ricochet or terrible bullet accuracy is bad (due to the animals being around), a 22lr isn’t enough to put them down and a big game caliber carries a long way.

What I am thinking is a 223 (easy to find and definitely capable of putting down coyotes), with a very heavy grain to reduce travel distance and bullet/tip that fragments upon impact (reducing pass through and hopefully fragments/disburses energy quickly in the event of a miss. Ie little to no ricochet).

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
D.Borden said:
The big question I have is what round should I use? Most shots will be inside 100 yards with the longest (and very unlikely) shot being 200 yards. Also keep in mind that any ricochet or terrible bullet accuracy is bad (due to the animals being around), a 22lr isn’t enough to put them down and a big game caliber carries a long way. What I am thinking is a 223 (easy to find and definitely capable of putting down coyotes), with a very heavy grain to reduce travel distance and bullet/tip that fragments upon impact (reducing pass through and hopefully fragments/disburses energy quickly in the event of a miss. Ie little to no ricochet). Thanks in advance for any help.
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If you go with 223, a frangible bullet (like a Hornady Vmax or Speer TNT) would be a good choice but as far as bullet weight goes, you want to go lightweight (e.g. 40-50 gr) rather than heavy (e.g. 69-75 gr). It is the heavier bullets that will extract the most range out of the 223 cartridge, not the other way around. That said, I think something like 22WMR or 22 Hornet would be a better option in this regard.
 
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