[CQB]Mag changes and sight picture upon transition to handgun

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Been familiarizing myself with the new (my first) chest rig, plus the p-mags and just transitioning from rifle to handgun in anticipation of the upcoming CQB clinic on Saturday.. Just wanted to ask more experienced competitors a couple of questions..

1) Do IPSC-style mag changes, supporting the plate with the palm and forefinger extended along the front of the mag work in CQB competition? I know they've been blessed by the God of all things Tacticool (may his d*** never fall off) Costa :cool: but I wanted to check if I should keep drilling like that or would beercan style work better in competition?

2) Shooting a bullpup - T97, left-handed mag changes, I'm assuming that I should be going through the mags right to left across the chest?

3) I've been training myself to shoot both eyes open over the last few months. Not a problem when I shoot rds only. Not a problem when shooting irons only.. But when I drop the rifle and transition to the handgun, it takes me way too much time to acquire a proper sight picture with the irons. Do you guys have any tips or tricks to avoid that?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts guys.
 
There's no completely right answer that another person could give you. You just have to find what works most efficiently for yourself through practice. Timing is key and if you're fumbling around, you'll run out of time.

1. It depends how you reload. When I shoot with a Tavor, the beer can grip is easier for me because I tend not to drastically cant my rifle during reloads (it's also a faster position to work the bolt release). I haven't handled a T97 but I suspect it is about the same. Keeping the rifle shouldered in firing position saves you time.

2. If your mags are higher on your chest or protruding off you body significantly, they may interfere with using mags from left to right. Do some living room practice, find which works best for you, and stick to it.

3. No idea, I've only ever shot with both eyes open. Just make sure you have a consistent draw?
 
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Thanks for the tips.. The T97 has a tight magwell, so canting definitely helps and there is no bolt release per se... Gotta pull back the charging handle, which is thin and underneath the carry handle so canting doesn't hurt there. The sling is almost interfering with the left-most mag, so it's easier to start right and go left, especially since it's something I got used to playing IPSC. Just wanted to get an idea if what seems to work for me can work or will it leave some training scars that'll give Barney some headaches.

The aiming is kinda weird.. When I draw the handgun after shooting the rifle with the rds, it takes ages to get a good both eyes open sight picture on the irons, but if I close my left eye while keeping the gun still, I can see that it's pointed in the right direction, This doesn't happen when I normally draw the handgun. I guess I'll have to train my eyes to make the adjustment quicker. Took me a couple of weeks of dryfire practice to get used to shooting anything but a rds with both eyes open in the first place.
 
I have found that what works for me while competing in the CQB shoots is to start off with my first AR mag dead centre on my gut and I will work right to left so as my hand comes across for the next mag, it can be done by feel without looking for it. I was always taught to work yourself away from the pistol. I use this system in IPSC shoots also and it works for me. Because we will have a load out for each stage, (4 mags of 5, 1 of 4, and say 2 of 3 pistol) you don't want to fumble and grab the wrong one and screw yourself. When shooting a stage that will involve the pistol, you will be asked to insert a pistol mag (INSERT ONLY. NOT LOAD AND MAKE READY). When the time comes to transition to the pistol you will draw rack and shoot the gun empty, reload, and shoot the gun empty again. Unlike IPSC where you will still have some live ammo left in the pistol after the stage is finished. As for the placement of the pistol mags, I like to stack mine outside of my rifle mags as you will only be reaching for 1 pistol mag during the stage as the other one will be in the gun at the (insert pistol mag command). Barney will teach you well tomorrow. I will also be there and can give you some pointers is you like.
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Thanks! I'll take all the tips that I can get :cool: My plan was to run my IPSC belt as-is for the handgun stuff and the chest rig for the rifle mags. Seems to work, only lacking a bit of practice. Speaking of which, still gotta grind down (not off) the rivets to see if that'll get'em to drop free (not that it'll make a huge difference with the T97 platform). Gonna work on my sight picture tonight, hopefully have it at least partly dialed in.
 
One other thing that comes to mind is the improvised prone position. Thins seems to be the most difficult position for some people to get into and out of as you will be asked to lay down with your strong side shoulder touching the ground. I have seen more than one pistol fall out of it's holster when they go to stand back up. This is where a holster with some kind of retention is a good idea ( friction or a retention strap of some sort ). There is a word that is spoken for this reason at the CQB shoots by T.K. SERPA SERPA SERPA LOL. This is why the open type holster as seen some IPSC rigs like say a Ghost system is not the best idea as most likely when matches are shot at Langmark, chances are that the holster will be grinding into the dirt on the improvised prone position.
 
rifleman338 said:
One other thing that comes to mind is the improvised prone position. Thins seems to be the most difficult position for some people to get into and out of as you will be asked to lay down with your strong side shoulder touching the ground. I have seen more than one pistol fall out of it's holster when they go to stand back up. This is where a holster with some kind of retention is a good idea ( friction or a retention strap of some sort ). There is a word that is spoken for this reason at the CQB shoots by T.K. SERPA SERPA SERPA LOL. This is why the open type holster as seen some IPSC rigs like say a Ghost system is not the best idea as most likely when matches are shot at Langmark, chances are that the holster will be grinding into the dirt on the improvised prone position.
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Great points. The way I understand it, we'll skip the improvised prone position tomorrow and I got a Bladetech, so it should be a non-issue once we start playing outdoors. Might go with a Serpa for outdoor matches as it might be more useful both for CQB and some other shoots I have lined up in the future.
 
It's to bad we will be skipping it and that it will be done on a hard floor. I kinda miss seeing all the holes cut into the dirt from the muzzle brakes and comps and debris flying .
 
rifleman338 said:
It's to bad we will be skipping it and that it will be done on a hard floor. I kinda miss seeing all the holes cut into the dirt from the muzzle brakes and comps and debris flying .
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Not an issue for me in any case.. I wish I could run a brake/comp but don't wanna put that much $$$ in a rifle I'll have to sell come November-December
 
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