cross border shopping for bullets,brass etc
- Thread starter Canuck525
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Doug The Canuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- central Ontario
It doesn't matter whether you are a US citizen or a snowbird, it's exporting ammo or firearms or components and is verboten. Not worth the risk. The Canada border service doesn't care but US homeland security sure does.....and they don't give second chances.
Okay guys here's a news flash...
You may think the US is awash in cheap bullets/brass/powder etc.
It is not.
Most of my trips to the US include a stop or two to a few gun shops/sporting goods retailers... There are no bargains and from what I've seen there ain't much stock either.
So... even "if" there was an easy/legal way to shop for all your reloading essentials in the US you probably won't save any $$ and that's only "if" you can find what you're looking for...
That's my 2cents...
You may think the US is awash in cheap bullets/brass/powder etc.
It is not.
Most of my trips to the US include a stop or two to a few gun shops/sporting goods retailers... There are no bargains and from what I've seen there ain't much stock either.
So... even "if" there was an easy/legal way to shop for all your reloading essentials in the US you probably won't save any $$ and that's only "if" you can find what you're looking for...
That's my 2cents...
^^^^^^^^^^ yup, only savings I ever saw was on pistol ammo, everything else was about the same cost, only difference is there is a bigger assortment, when in stock.......
firearms on the other hand, are a great buy........on most items, once again not all
firearms on the other hand, are a great buy........on most items, once again not all
heavyBullet
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Just off the island of MTL
I am in the States many times during the yr, and commercial ammo there is little difference any more in price, but powder and components are less expensive.
Okay guys here's a news flash...
You may think the US is awash in cheap bullets/brass/powder etc.
It is not.
Most of my trips to the US include a stop or two to a few gun shops/sporting goods retailers... There are no bargains and from what I've seen there ain't much stock either.
So... even "if" there was an easy/legal way to shop for all your reloading essentials in the US you probably won't save any $$ and that's only "if" you can find what you're looking for...
That's my 2cents...
Your comment sure rings true if you go to Buffalo Gun Center where their motto is littereally, "It ain't on sale... it's for sale".
This is an ATF brochure. It answers my snowbird question.
Nonimmigrant Aliens
Purchasing Firearms and
Ammunition in the
United States
Purchasing a fi rearm from a Federal
Firearms Licensee (FFL) to possess in
the United States
❖ A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY NOT purchase
a fi rearm from an FFL and take possession
of the fi rearm in the United States. If you violate
this prohibition, you could receive a maximum of
5 or 10 years of imprisonment, depending on the
violation.
THIS PROHIBITION APPLIES UNLESS:
1. You establish that you:
❖ For handguns: Have resided in the State
where you are buying the handgun for 90 days
AND intend to make a home in that State.
❖ For long guns: Have resided in a State for
90 days and intend to make a home in that
State – it does NOT have to be the State
where the long gun purchase is occurring.
NOTE: Most foreign dignitaries and members
of their entourages WILL NOT be able to meet
the 90-day residency requirement.
AND
2. You establish that you:
❖ Are an offi cial representative of a foreign
Government who is accredited to the
United States Government or your Government’s
mission to an international organization
having its headquarters in the
United States and will possess the fi rearm
in your offi cial capacity; OR
❖ Are an offi cial of a foreign Government
or a distinguished foreign visitor who has
been so designated by the Department of
State and will possess the fi rearm in your
offi cial capacity (if you have an offi cial
capacity); OR
❖ Are a foreign law enforcement offi cer of a
friendly foreign Government entering the
United States on offi cial law enforcement
business; OR
❖ Were admitted to the United States for
lawful hunting or sporting purposes or are
in possession of a valid hunting license
or permit lawfully issued in the United
States.
If you meet these two criteria, you are eligible to purchase
a fi rearm from an FFL to possess in the United
States. However, you MAY NOT take the fi rearm with
you when you leave the United States unless:
1. For sporting shotguns, you have an FFL
export the fi rearm. The FFL must obtain an
export license from the Department of Commerce
(202-482-4811) prior to exportation.
2. For fi rearms other than sporting shotguns,
you have an FFL registered with the
Department of State, Offi ce of Defense Trade
Controls (ODTC) (202-663-2714), export the
fi rearm. The FFL must obtain an export
license from the ODTC prior to exportation.
❖ The State Department recommends that
you provide the FFL with a letter from
your embassy on embassy letterhead
explaining why you want to export the fi rearm.
You also should provide an import
authorization issued by the competent
Government offi ce in your country.
Having a third party purchase a fi rearm
for you from a Federal Firearms Licensee
(FFL) to possess in the United States
❖ If you are not eligible to purchase a fi rearm from
an FFL to possess in the United States, you MAY
NOT have someone who is eligible purchase one
for you. If you violate this prohibition, both you
and the person who purchases the fi rearm for you
could receive a maximum of 5 or 10 years of
imprisonment, depending on the violation.
Purchasing a fi rearm from a nonlicensee
to possess in the United States
❖ A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY NOT purchase
a fi rearm from a nonlicensee to possess in
the United States. If you violate this prohibition,
you could receive a maximum of 5 or 10 years
of imprisonment, depending on the violation. If
you have questions regarding possible exceptions
to this prohibition, contact the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco and Firearms (ATF).
Purchasing ammunition from a Federal
Firearms Licensee (FFL) or a nonlicensee
to possess in the United States
❖ A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY NOT purchase
ammunition from an FFL or a nonlicensee
to possess in the United States. If you violate this
prohibition, you could receive a maximum of 10
years of imprisonment.
THIS PROHIBITION APPLIES UNLESS YOU ESTABLISH
THAT YOU:
❖ Are an offi cial representative of a foreign
Government who is accredited to the United
States Government or your Government’s mission
to an international organization having
its headquarters in the United States and will
possess the ammunition in your offi cial capacity;
OR
❖ Are an offi cial of a foreign Government or a
distinguished foreign visitor who has been so
designated by the Department of State and
will possess the ammunition in your offi cial
capacity (if you have an offi cial capacity); OR
❖ Are a foreign law enforcement offi cer of
a friendly foreign Government entering the
United States on offi cial law enforcement business;
OR
❖ Were admitted to the United States for lawful
hunting or sporting purposes or are in possession
of a valid hunting license or permit lawfully
issued in the United States.
If you meet these criteria, you are eligible to purchase
ammunition to possess in the United States. However,
you MAY NOT take the ammunition with you when you
leave the United States unless:
1. For ammunition for sporting shotguns, you
have an FFL export the ammunition. The
FFL must obtain an export license from the
Department of Commerce prior to exportation.
2. For ammunition for fi rearms other than
sporting shotguns, you have an FFL registered
with the Department of State, Offi ce of
Defense Trade Controls (ODTC), export the
ammunition. The FFL must obtain an export
license from the ODTC prior to exportation.
❖ The State Department recommends that
you provide the FFL with a letter from your
embassy on embassy letterhead explaining
why you want to export the ammunition.
You also should provide an import
authorization issued by the competent
Government offi ce in your country.
❖ Unlike with the purchase of fi rearms, there is no
residency requirement for purchasing ammunition.
Purchasing a fi rearm or ammunition from
a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) for
exportation
❖ A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY purchase a
fi rearm or ammunition from an FFL if the fi rearm/
ammunition is directly exported by the FFL, so
that the nonimmigrant alien DOES NOT take possession
of the fi rearm/ammunition in the United
States prior to exportation.
1. To export a sporting shotgun or ammunition
for a sporting shotgun, the FFL from
whom you purchase the fi rearm/ammunition
must obtain an export license from the
Department of Commerce prior to
exportation.
2. To export fi rearms other than sporting
shotguns or ammunition for fi rearms other
than sporting shotguns, the FFL from whom
you purchase the fi rearm/ammunition must be
registered with the Department of State, Offi ce
of Defense Trade Controls (ODTC). The FFL
must obtain an export license from the ODTC
prior to exportation.
❖ The State Department recommends that
you provide the FFL with a letter from your
embassy on embassy letterhead explaining
why you want to export the fi rearm/
ammunition. You also should provide an
import authorization issued by the competent
Government offi ce in your country.
Abiding by State and local law
❖ This brochure addresses the Federal fi rearms laws.
There may be additional State or local laws that
affect your purchase and/or possession of fi rearms
or ammunition. It is your responsibility to be
aware of any such laws.
Questions
❖ If you have any questions about these matters,
please contact:
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
Firearms Programs Division
650 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20226
Phone: (202) 927-7770
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is the
agency responsible for enforcing the Federal fi rearms
laws in the United States. It also has authority over
the importation of fi rearms and ammunition into the
United States.
Department of the Treasury
Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco
and Firearms
Nonimmigrant Aliens
Purchasing Firearms
and Ammunition in
the United States
ATF P 5300.18 (07-2002)
Nonimmigrant Aliens
Purchasing Firearms and
Ammunition in the
United States
Purchasing a fi rearm from a Federal
Firearms Licensee (FFL) to possess in
the United States
❖ A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY NOT purchase
a fi rearm from an FFL and take possession
of the fi rearm in the United States. If you violate
this prohibition, you could receive a maximum of
5 or 10 years of imprisonment, depending on the
violation.
THIS PROHIBITION APPLIES UNLESS:
1. You establish that you:
❖ For handguns: Have resided in the State
where you are buying the handgun for 90 days
AND intend to make a home in that State.
❖ For long guns: Have resided in a State for
90 days and intend to make a home in that
State – it does NOT have to be the State
where the long gun purchase is occurring.
NOTE: Most foreign dignitaries and members
of their entourages WILL NOT be able to meet
the 90-day residency requirement.
AND
2. You establish that you:
❖ Are an offi cial representative of a foreign
Government who is accredited to the
United States Government or your Government’s
mission to an international organization
having its headquarters in the
United States and will possess the fi rearm
in your offi cial capacity; OR
❖ Are an offi cial of a foreign Government
or a distinguished foreign visitor who has
been so designated by the Department of
State and will possess the fi rearm in your
offi cial capacity (if you have an offi cial
capacity); OR
❖ Are a foreign law enforcement offi cer of a
friendly foreign Government entering the
United States on offi cial law enforcement
business; OR
❖ Were admitted to the United States for
lawful hunting or sporting purposes or are
in possession of a valid hunting license
or permit lawfully issued in the United
States.
If you meet these two criteria, you are eligible to purchase
a fi rearm from an FFL to possess in the United
States. However, you MAY NOT take the fi rearm with
you when you leave the United States unless:
1. For sporting shotguns, you have an FFL
export the fi rearm. The FFL must obtain an
export license from the Department of Commerce
(202-482-4811) prior to exportation.
2. For fi rearms other than sporting shotguns,
you have an FFL registered with the
Department of State, Offi ce of Defense Trade
Controls (ODTC) (202-663-2714), export the
fi rearm. The FFL must obtain an export
license from the ODTC prior to exportation.
❖ The State Department recommends that
you provide the FFL with a letter from
your embassy on embassy letterhead
explaining why you want to export the fi rearm.
You also should provide an import
authorization issued by the competent
Government offi ce in your country.
Having a third party purchase a fi rearm
for you from a Federal Firearms Licensee
(FFL) to possess in the United States
❖ If you are not eligible to purchase a fi rearm from
an FFL to possess in the United States, you MAY
NOT have someone who is eligible purchase one
for you. If you violate this prohibition, both you
and the person who purchases the fi rearm for you
could receive a maximum of 5 or 10 years of
imprisonment, depending on the violation.
Purchasing a fi rearm from a nonlicensee
to possess in the United States
❖ A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY NOT purchase
a fi rearm from a nonlicensee to possess in
the United States. If you violate this prohibition,
you could receive a maximum of 5 or 10 years
of imprisonment, depending on the violation. If
you have questions regarding possible exceptions
to this prohibition, contact the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco and Firearms (ATF).
Purchasing ammunition from a Federal
Firearms Licensee (FFL) or a nonlicensee
to possess in the United States
❖ A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY NOT purchase
ammunition from an FFL or a nonlicensee
to possess in the United States. If you violate this
prohibition, you could receive a maximum of 10
years of imprisonment.
THIS PROHIBITION APPLIES UNLESS YOU ESTABLISH
THAT YOU:
❖ Are an offi cial representative of a foreign
Government who is accredited to the United
States Government or your Government’s mission
to an international organization having
its headquarters in the United States and will
possess the ammunition in your offi cial capacity;
OR
❖ Are an offi cial of a foreign Government or a
distinguished foreign visitor who has been so
designated by the Department of State and
will possess the ammunition in your offi cial
capacity (if you have an offi cial capacity); OR
❖ Are a foreign law enforcement offi cer of
a friendly foreign Government entering the
United States on offi cial law enforcement business;
OR
❖ Were admitted to the United States for lawful
hunting or sporting purposes or are in possession
of a valid hunting license or permit lawfully
issued in the United States.
If you meet these criteria, you are eligible to purchase
ammunition to possess in the United States. However,
you MAY NOT take the ammunition with you when you
leave the United States unless:
1. For ammunition for sporting shotguns, you
have an FFL export the ammunition. The
FFL must obtain an export license from the
Department of Commerce prior to exportation.
2. For ammunition for fi rearms other than
sporting shotguns, you have an FFL registered
with the Department of State, Offi ce of
Defense Trade Controls (ODTC), export the
ammunition. The FFL must obtain an export
license from the ODTC prior to exportation.
❖ The State Department recommends that
you provide the FFL with a letter from your
embassy on embassy letterhead explaining
why you want to export the ammunition.
You also should provide an import
authorization issued by the competent
Government offi ce in your country.
❖ Unlike with the purchase of fi rearms, there is no
residency requirement for purchasing ammunition.
Purchasing a fi rearm or ammunition from
a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) for
exportation
❖ A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY purchase a
fi rearm or ammunition from an FFL if the fi rearm/
ammunition is directly exported by the FFL, so
that the nonimmigrant alien DOES NOT take possession
of the fi rearm/ammunition in the United
States prior to exportation.
1. To export a sporting shotgun or ammunition
for a sporting shotgun, the FFL from
whom you purchase the fi rearm/ammunition
must obtain an export license from the
Department of Commerce prior to
exportation.
2. To export fi rearms other than sporting
shotguns or ammunition for fi rearms other
than sporting shotguns, the FFL from whom
you purchase the fi rearm/ammunition must be
registered with the Department of State, Offi ce
of Defense Trade Controls (ODTC). The FFL
must obtain an export license from the ODTC
prior to exportation.
❖ The State Department recommends that
you provide the FFL with a letter from your
embassy on embassy letterhead explaining
why you want to export the fi rearm/
ammunition. You also should provide an
import authorization issued by the competent
Government offi ce in your country.
Abiding by State and local law
❖ This brochure addresses the Federal fi rearms laws.
There may be additional State or local laws that
affect your purchase and/or possession of fi rearms
or ammunition. It is your responsibility to be
aware of any such laws.
Questions
❖ If you have any questions about these matters,
please contact:
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
Firearms Programs Division
650 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20226
Phone: (202) 927-7770
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is the
agency responsible for enforcing the Federal fi rearms
laws in the United States. It also has authority over
the importation of fi rearms and ammunition into the
United States.
Department of the Treasury
Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco
and Firearms
Nonimmigrant Aliens
Purchasing Firearms
and Ammunition in
the United States
ATF P 5300.18 (07-2002)
heavyBullet
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Just off the island of MTL
Wow, I just found Varget for $27.95 locally.The price actually went down
that does not happen to often. It used to be $32.
