Crown Jewels
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There are 3 available on Amazon.ca. Here's the link:
http://www.amazon.ca/Crown-Jewels-Century-Accuracy-Precision/dp/0889352836
They aren't cheap at about $950.00.
http://www.amazon.ca/Crown-Jewels-Century-Accuracy-Precision/dp/0889352836
They aren't cheap at about $950.00.
They are not in stock anywhere. You may get luck and find one for a not ridiculous price on ebay or kijiji or something.
Here's what to do. Contact Collector Grade Publications. Tell them you want a run of 5000 of them. Get said run of books and sell them at $60 or $75. You would probably make a lot of people happy.
Here's what to do. Contact Collector Grade Publications. Tell them you want a run of 5000 of them. Get said run of books and sell them at $60 or $75. You would probably make a lot of people happy.
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I do not think that you will find one for a "reasonable" price. Originally, they were about $50 but more and more people have discovered the Swedish Mauser rifles.
I would not sell my copy for many times that. If you are interested in Swedish Mausers, the information contained in "Crown Jewels" is priceless.
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I do not think that you will find one for a "reasonable" price. Originally, they were about $50 but more and more people have discovered the Swedish Mauser rifles.
I would not sell my copy for many times that. If you are interested in Swedish Mausers, the information contained in "Crown Jewels" is priceless.
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WHOA! $950.00?? OMG.........Its a book!!I have a copy of the book. It's not for sale but I'll loan it to you for a deposit of sorts to make sure I get it back...seeing as how it's almost worth it's weight in gold now. Not sure how easy it would be to scan it without destroying it but you could probably use a digital camera to shoot each one of the 292 pages. It would be time consuming but it would also be a free book you could save to a CD. PM me if you want to discuss it.
Dana Jones is trying to figure how he can get a revised "Crown Jewel", I don't think the work was made on a computer and if all was made the old way, it's a lot of work today to revise such a work. If the plates still exist, of course.
Also, he feels he really needs to revise his work as now we know much better the swedish stuff and he would like the thing straightened.
Also, he feels he really needs to revise his work as now we know much better the swedish stuff and he would like the thing straightened.
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It would be a fantastic Court Case. Books and other written materials are protected by a Copyright and legal action can be used against anyone who would scan and upload it. It is theft of another person's work without permission to do it. When an Author writes a book, and the book is initially sold, the Author, Publisher, and other people get an income from the Sale, Most people here would not steal money from someone, but this is exactly what is done when a Copyrighted book is reproduced without written permission.
While a lot of older books, government publications, manuals and such are being scanned and reproduced, usually there was no Copyright on them, or the time period for a Copyright has expired.
As BARIBAL has stated, Dana Jones might update "Crown Jewels," and I hope he does. There has been a LOT of new information on the Swedish rifles that has come to light since the original book was published, and Jones even states that there are a few inaccuracies in the book. However, Dana Jones did a fantastic job on this book with what information he had on hand at the time, and with the information that was given to him.
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Coyote Ugly
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Photocopying and Scanning will drive the $950 price down to nothing, where it should be, for useful information that should be shared and not hoarded by the greedy people of eBay.
No different than a 33-1/3 Record going on to a Cassette so you can listen to it in your car.
Oh Noes, the Book Gestapos with Black Jackboots will be kicking down our doors!
No different than a 33-1/3 Record going on to a Cassette so you can listen to it in your car.
Oh Noes, the Book Gestapos with Black Jackboots will be kicking down our doors!
Photocopying and scanning is illegal. Theft of intellectual property is a criminal offence, as I recall.
You not read? A book can easily be worth nearly a grand. The Machinery's Handbook runs well over $100 these days. Plus tax. Blake Stevens' books aren't cheap either.
You not read? A book can easily be worth nearly a grand. The Machinery's Handbook runs well over $100 these days. Plus tax. Blake Stevens' books aren't cheap either.
Grab a brain, if the intellectual copyright laws were not in place there would be no incentive for the author to write the stuff. It takes a good deal of time and effort to gather the information and put it all down- then one must also recoup the costs associated with publication.
The law is there for a good reason and you sir, are advocating theft, this is forbidden by forum rules and guidelines. Tread carefully son.
janice
(I would modify the post were I you.)
Coyote Ugly
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
They sentence you to 1001 years in maximum security prison reading the same book over and over with toothpicks holding your eye lids open!
We don't have a book or music Gestapo so there is nothing to worry about!
We don't have a book or music Gestapo so there is nothing to worry about!
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I am living on the OAP right now, in part because a book on which I worked for many years was pirated, chapter by chapter, misinterpreted and used to make money for a bunch of crooks. Many of my research papers were taken from the (copyrighted) volume of research and reference papers, reprinted and sold at exorbitant prices. If you ever run into a BNA Act or a 1917 Income Tax Act or a 1950 Supreme Court of Canada decision on the Interdelegation case, with the titles in Packard Bold type, you are holding something which was stolen from me.
Copyright laws are useful only if you can afford to enforce them.
As far as a single copy for reference is concerned, it is legal to make one for personal use. SELL IT, though, and the walls come tumbling down..... on top of you.
BTW, condition of the plates does not even matter; modern printing plates, once used, cannot be preserved for more than a few days. Believe me: I spent 30 years in the racket. What is important is the NEGATIVES: they are permanent if made correctly.
OTOH, producing a new edition of CROWN JEWELS would not be a huge job for Dana Jones, if he still had the original photographs. It would be about 3 weeks' work to dummy a new edition. The hard job would be to find someone willing to produce the finished product. I would suggest Friesens' in Altona, Manitoba; they do short runs of a lot of school yearbooks and likely would be happy to do a long run on anything. I have done similar jobs myself for other authors, subcontracting things a step at a time. Gets the finished prices down nicely.
Copyright laws are useful only if you can afford to enforce them.
As far as a single copy for reference is concerned, it is legal to make one for personal use. SELL IT, though, and the walls come tumbling down..... on top of you.
BTW, condition of the plates does not even matter; modern printing plates, once used, cannot be preserved for more than a few days. Believe me: I spent 30 years in the racket. What is important is the NEGATIVES: they are permanent if made correctly.
OTOH, producing a new edition of CROWN JEWELS would not be a huge job for Dana Jones, if he still had the original photographs. It would be about 3 weeks' work to dummy a new edition. The hard job would be to find someone willing to produce the finished product. I would suggest Friesens' in Altona, Manitoba; they do short runs of a lot of school yearbooks and likely would be happy to do a long run on anything. I have done similar jobs myself for other authors, subcontracting things a step at a time. Gets the finished prices down nicely.
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All to often people have the belief that if they are not punished for breaking the law then they did not break the law. Morals are a thing of the past.
Ignoring a law is to be reserved for laws you do not see as right, this is called civil disobedience and is a valid form of protest. But if you think this law is wrong- well I won't say how stupid I would think you are as that would not be polite.
janice
Smellie,
From an editor standpoint, it would be very simple just to scan and edit the text right away from an existing book using a program such as Pagemaker... but from what Dana Jones said, he does not have the original negatives and re-making his book would involve a lot of work (his saying, not mine).
From an editor standpoint, it would be very simple just to scan and edit the text right away from an existing book using a program such as Pagemaker... but from what Dana Jones said, he does not have the original negatives and re-making his book would involve a lot of work (his saying, not mine).
Hi, Baribal!
Glad you mentioned editing the text; computers, scanners and OCR programs can introduce a myriad of errors. They are nowhere nearly as perfect as Bill would have us think. If that were true, the world would be using nothing but Vista!
For a new edition, rather than simply a reprint, there would be a lot of fresh material which had to be imported, integrated and forced to fit.
The actual assembly program really is unimportant; I can do almost anything with WP-7 that I could do with Aldus, and do it faster.
One problem would be type quality; I have not yet seen a single sample of computer-generated type which is a match for photo-set cold type. A professional-grade laser printer would be mandatory, at the very least; consumer-grade ones just thin the stuff out too much and it will not photograph worth beans. Modern plants want to work directly from a computer file, set everything right on the plate. Old-fashioned paste-up dummies such as I worked with (and won awards with) simply are no longer wanted. They, my beautiful CompuGraphic IVTG and myself, all are antiques.
Still, if the text were revised to take into account much of the research which has been done since the book originally appeared, I am certain that there would be a market and the job, without doubt, would pay a handsome dividend.
Another book I REALLY would like to see reprinted would be Major Peter Labbett's ".303 Inch", the finest book, and the absolute last word, on design, development and manufacture of the .303" cartridge.
Glad you mentioned editing the text; computers, scanners and OCR programs can introduce a myriad of errors. They are nowhere nearly as perfect as Bill would have us think. If that were true, the world would be using nothing but Vista!
For a new edition, rather than simply a reprint, there would be a lot of fresh material which had to be imported, integrated and forced to fit.
The actual assembly program really is unimportant; I can do almost anything with WP-7 that I could do with Aldus, and do it faster.
One problem would be type quality; I have not yet seen a single sample of computer-generated type which is a match for photo-set cold type. A professional-grade laser printer would be mandatory, at the very least; consumer-grade ones just thin the stuff out too much and it will not photograph worth beans. Modern plants want to work directly from a computer file, set everything right on the plate. Old-fashioned paste-up dummies such as I worked with (and won awards with) simply are no longer wanted. They, my beautiful CompuGraphic IVTG and myself, all are antiques.
Still, if the text were revised to take into account much of the research which has been done since the book originally appeared, I am certain that there would be a market and the job, without doubt, would pay a handsome dividend.
Another book I REALLY would like to see reprinted would be Major Peter Labbett's ".303 Inch", the finest book, and the absolute last word, on design, development and manufacture of the .303" cartridge.
I understand the whole copyright thing...totally get it. If I was an author who spent years researching, writing and editing a book to only see it pirated with no compensation would make my blood boil.
That being said....once something like this goes out of print...how does one legally gain access to the information contained within ?
Well, a library would the first place I look. Okay, it's not there. Anywhere...across the country, nada. zip. goodnight.
Hmm, alright...checking eBay, Amazon etc. Oh, there's a copy for sale ! $950 !!!!!!!! holy bubba'd milsurp, that's more than I paid for my (insert eastern european country -except Serbia- here) wife !!!
Ok....try to make friends with someone who actually owns it...and will actually loan it.....or at least let me look at it for an hour, whilst wearing those fancy white gloves curators love......cause reading it, even though I'm not the actual owner, isn't stealing right ? Except I don't know anyone who owns the book. Crap.
Soooo.....any other legal options ?
Or is that it.....buck stops there...the knowledge dies with the few owners who own the book, unless they happen to bequeath the book to their local library. Which probably refuses said book lest they fall under the scrutiny of Justin's sleepwalking anti's and have their funding cut after the next election ?
Intellectual property is a weird thing. How long should it be legally confined ? If a book is to never be reprinted, thus never sold as new again, thus never earning an author or publisher another legal dime.....should there not be a reasonable time allotted, after which it is no longer the intellectual property of anyone and free to be shared by all ?
I dunno...I guess if I was the boss of everything and had cool omnipotent powers...I'd place a 10 year moratorium on out of print books, after which it would be legal to copy and distribute for free.
Anyone copying and selling for profit would be dealt with summarily and severely, old testament style. Original copies exempt of course.
Of course, if I really had powers of omnipotence, I'd probably be more busy making sure that all the children of the world could hold hands and sing in the spirit of peace and harmony...oh yeah, and finding a rear sight base for my K98
That being said....once something like this goes out of print...how does one legally gain access to the information contained within ?
Well, a library would the first place I look. Okay, it's not there. Anywhere...across the country, nada. zip. goodnight.
Hmm, alright...checking eBay, Amazon etc. Oh, there's a copy for sale ! $950 !!!!!!!! holy bubba'd milsurp, that's more than I paid for my (insert eastern european country -except Serbia- here) wife !!!
Ok....try to make friends with someone who actually owns it...and will actually loan it.....or at least let me look at it for an hour, whilst wearing those fancy white gloves curators love......cause reading it, even though I'm not the actual owner, isn't stealing right ? Except I don't know anyone who owns the book. Crap.
Soooo.....any other legal options ?
Or is that it.....buck stops there...the knowledge dies with the few owners who own the book, unless they happen to bequeath the book to their local library. Which probably refuses said book lest they fall under the scrutiny of Justin's sleepwalking anti's and have their funding cut after the next election ?
Intellectual property is a weird thing. How long should it be legally confined ? If a book is to never be reprinted, thus never sold as new again, thus never earning an author or publisher another legal dime.....should there not be a reasonable time allotted, after which it is no longer the intellectual property of anyone and free to be shared by all ?
I dunno...I guess if I was the boss of everything and had cool omnipotent powers...I'd place a 10 year moratorium on out of print books, after which it would be legal to copy and distribute for free.
Anyone copying and selling for profit would be dealt with summarily and severely, old testament style. Original copies exempt of course.
Of course, if I really had powers of omnipotence, I'd probably be more busy making sure that all the children of the world could hold hands and sing in the spirit of peace and harmony...oh yeah, and finding a rear sight base for my K98
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