CSA Vz58 compact 7.62 vs 5.56

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I haven't found any threads about this. So I decided to start one to find out your thought on this. So if you had to buy a COMPACT Vz (7.5 inch barrel) what caliber would you chose? And why? Also do you think COMPACT VZ will cycle reliably all the time without muzzle brake that comes with it?
 
Personally, id buy the 7.62 simply because you can get more rounds for less money. If your shooting competitively or for work (whatever job may require the use of a compact VZ) then youd probably want to make the decision based on performance. But for simple fun shooting... go with price.
 
I have one in 7.62 and it is a loud bastard with a big bite (flame). A total head turner to everyone at the range who is caught off guard. Fun little toy indeed.

It cycles fine with/without any muzzle device you will put on it. I just find the military break that comes with the rifle works well, so it stays on.
 
This was my reasoning too – 7.62 too is cheaper, but I also thought that 7.5” in 5.56 maybe a bit too short to stabilize the bullet for longer ranges. Soviets for AK-75U “In order to effectively stabilize projectiles, the barrel’s twist rate was increased from 200 mm (1:8 in) to 160 mm (1:6.3 in).”- according too wiki. CSA has only 1:7 twist. Maybe somebody tried it out for 200 yards and can say where the 5.56 is still stable at this distance? Soviets needed to incorporate a special flush hider with expansion chamber to increase reliability of cycling.
 
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dagtaph said:
This was my reasoning too – 7.62 too is cheaper, but I also thought that 7.5” in 5.56 maybe a bit too short to stabilize the bullet for longer ranges. Soviets for AK-75U “In order to effectively stabilize projectiles, the barrel’s twist rate was increased from 200 mm (1:8 in) to 160 mm (1:6.3 in).”- according too wiki. CSA has only 1:7 twist. Maybe somebody tried it out for 200 yards and can say where the 5.56 is still stable at this distance? Soviets needed to incorporate a special flush hider with expansion chamber to increase reliability of cycling.
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why would you need to shoot that little thing out to 200m????

100yards it is decent, but if you plan on shooting it out further the go with the carbine/restricted rifle version
 
bfile, it is a beauty :) I tried 11" version (which would be a more reasonable choice) but it simply does not have the same appeal :) This is why I am leaning towards 7.5” version too.
 
ok, so the compensator helps a bit with a muzzle climb a bit but nothing much else. The guy at the store said that compensator is almost obligatory if i did not want it fly out of my hands :) what do the sellers know :)
 
I have shot this thing with no muzzle brake, the military m/b and the AK slant m/b and they all work with/without it.

You would have to see how you like shooting it, but be assured if/once you do buy it you are gonna LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!

It really is a very fun toy.

PS, there should be plenty of threads on them as I did make one myself when I got it.
 
dagtaph said:
This was my reasoning too – 7.62 too is cheaper, but I also thought that 7.5” in 5.56 maybe a bit too short to stabilize the bullet for longer ranges. Soviets for AK-75U “In order to effectively stabilize projectiles, the barrel’s twist rate was increased from 200 mm (1:8 in) to 160 mm (1:6.3 in).”- according too wiki. CSA has only 1:7 twist. Maybe somebody tried it out for 200 yards and can say where the 5.56 is still stable at this distance? Soviets needed to incorporate a special flush hider with expansion chamber to increase reliability of cycling.
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1) Barrel length has nothing to do with bullet stability, aside from determining what you will see for muzzle velocity.

2) Bullet stability grows as the bullet travels downrange. If it is stable at the muzzle, it will be stable for the rest of the flight (discounting any trans-sonic activity, which isn't really a consideration for a 7.5" PDW).

3) 1 in 7 twist will stabilize 90gr bullets in a full rifle, I doubt you will have issues with 50-55gr bullets in the CSA.


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This guy seems to be saying that with some types of ammo Vz stops cycling properly -"While my VZ SBR will throw spent Brown Bear cases 8', it only throws GT cases 1-2'....so while you may not have noticed a difference in your AK, I'm noticing a definite difference in my VZ SBR." "...my AK eats the lower powered GT (Golden Tiger) ammo with no problem. It's for my VZ SBR (short barrel rifel). The full size VZ eats whatever you feed it....the 11.5" bbl VZ won't eat GT." http://xcrforum.com/index.php?topic=10762.0
 
I bought the last 7.62 compact too. The price was reduced, strangely there was no price reduction on 5.56. I thought 7.62 are more popular than 5.56 since they are out of them in almost all stores while 5.56 are still available.
 
dagtaph said:
I bought the last 7.62 compact too. The price was reduced, strangely there was no price reduction on 5.56. I thought 7.62 are more popular than 5.56 since they are out of them in almost all stores while 5.56 are still available.
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There's a poodle infestation going on so they're ramping up the supply but the high demand remains :cool:
 
those mutant zombie poodles might need a bigger round than 5.56 :) but seriously in the case of total societal brake down is it better to have 5.56 or 7.62? I think that 5.56 is clear winner in some categories, but if you need a jack of all trades that can do everything i think 7.62 has an edge. what do you think?
 
dagtaph said:
those mutant zombie poodles might need a bigger round than 5.56 :) but seriously in the case of total societal brake down is it better to have 5.56 or 7.62? I think that 5.56 is clear winner in some categories, but if you need a jack of all trades that can do everything i think 7.62 has an edge. what do you think?
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7.62 is cheaper, easier to stockpile more, better for dealing with humans in an urban setting or dense bush if it ever gets to that point.
 
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