CVA Kodiak in-line .45 cal. M/L

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Well guys, I am here for some advise. Does anyone have any experience with the trigger mechanism on these? Mine has a terrible trigger pull (about 10 pounds) which does nothing for accuracy or the nerves of the shooter. I would like to lighten the pull and remove the creep myself or send it to someone who knows.
Accuracy with 90 grains of 2F Pyrodex under the new Platinum "power Belt" bullets is not as consistent as I'd like and the 100 yard groups are larger then I prefer also (4-6 inches). Has anyone tried this rifle with cast lead bullets?
Thanks for the help......Dave
 
Your trigger mechanism might be a warranty issue. Ask the vendor where you bought it, or contact CVA direct. As far as cast bullets....powerbelts are essentially conicals with a plastic hula skirt. CVA recomends them because they make them.

The best (and most frustating) part of this pasttime is finding which bullet / powder combo works best. Try stepping up or down the powder charge first with your existing bullet - only because you don't have to buy anything extra. Then be prepared to spend some money on various bullet configurations and weights. Types of 209 primers can skew your results (really!). How ofter you clean, and the consistancy of bullet seating pressure are also factors.

Welcome to our world............Have fun and good luck! Hakx
 
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Thank-you for the advise. I have tried different charges of powder with similar results. I can't get any consistancy. I have also noticed that the first "clean barrel" shot is always low by 6-8 inches. I haven't been cleaning between shots so maybe I'll try that. I get better and more consistant results with my Brunswick 1847 antique rifle. So much for modern muzzle-loaders. If it wasn't for my old eyes I'd take the antique.
 
The best (and most frustating) part of this pasttime is finding which bullet / powder combo works best.
I bought a new Modern Knight LK93 inline (50cal) and had a difficult time making it shoot - lots of wierd flyers - totally useless.
After buying and trying several powders and pellets, half a dozen or so different bullets (with/without sabots), and even changing the #11 for a musketcap (pellets were double detonating with #11s), I finally have it shooting repeatable 3" 3 shot groups at 100yds. Not great but at least usable finally. I never thought it would be soooo much trouble to get it to where I could use it for deer hunting.

I also wonder if my barrel is shooting a little better after 60 or 70 rounds thru it. Could the bore smooth out making it a little less quirky and difficult?

My first fouling shot is usually low too - 2" - 3"
 
Gentlemen:

While I do not have any experience with in-lines, however I have spent a good bit of time with traditional cap-lock muzzle loaders, and the application of ideas should be similar, so I will offer these thoughts.

First off, we need to figure out what your rifling twist is, and that to some extent will give you a general rule of thumb as to what type of projectile one should us and in what weight range.

The general rule of thumb that I use in 50 cal is

1 in 60 for round balls
1 in 48 combo twist - can shoot balls or short conicals
1 in 30 for mid range length conicals (as dictated buy caliber)
1 in 20 for long heavy for caliber conicals

Then we must examine what propellant you are using. Personally while pellets are convenient, I find them overly expensive, and understand the can suffer from inconsistent ignition. I prefer to use powder, and myself have had good success with Pyrodex.

Next, one should examine the smoothness of your barrel, and the sharpness of your rifling. This is really done by feel and a DAMP tight fitting patch. You should be able to feel the rough spots. Further, look at your damp patch when you take it out, and have a look if the rifling is cutting your patches.

If you suffer from the above, then you may need to smooth it some with a mild abrasive paste and tight fitting patches. Make sure your rifle is clean to begin with, and do this buy hand. Top cap and ball shooters do this to their revolvers so there should be no issues doing this with a rifle. I have the procedure some where and if interested I can look it up for you.

If you are shooting sabots, depending on the smoothness of your barrel and how sharp your rifling is, you could be suffering from plastic fouling, just like shotgun shooters. The only way to get this out is with a good stiff bronze brush soaked in a solvent like shooters choice (this one is designed to cut plastic fouling), followed buy patches.

Depending on bore condition, it may not take many shots to foul the rifle.

The above is also true for lead fouling, if you are shooting a steady diet of conical bullets.

Further, another accuracy ailment is shooting conicals that are too hard in alloy. You want to make sure that you are shooting the softest lead possible so that the bullet will obdurate properly and “seal” the rifling bullet fit. If the alloy is to hard, you will get blow by and accuracy will be erratic at best.

The other thing to do, is keep detailed notes on what an how you experiment, so that you can see what you have tried and where there might be some promise.

The other rule to remember, is that there are no hard and fast rules. For example, my main cap-lock rifle has a 1 in 60 twist, so it’s a dedicated round ball shooter. However I have had great success using sabots and get about 2" 3 shot groups at 50 yards. This flies in the face of the “rules of thumb” for rifling twist sated above, however, you should always try something for real in your rifle before you dismiss it.

Well I have rambled on long enough. If you have any further questions please feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them.

Happy new years

Regards and all the best

R
 
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Thanks Richard. This rifle is 1:48" twist rate which may explain why it doesn't do as well with conicals as I had expected. I tried sabots.... Hornady SST's and it was all I could do to get them down the barrel so I quit trying. I went to power belt bullets and they are not satisfactory. I have e-mailed CVA on two occasions to ask about the poor trigger and the inconsistencies and they don't reply....(for those who are shopping for an in-line)! I am about to try lead cast conicals. I shoot my B/P cartridge rifles and M/L's often and have experimented with all sorts of combos so I will keep trying with this one. Interesting that I can get my Brunswick dated 1847 to shoot better than this so-called....modern in-line rifle. With all of the technology you would think it would be a tack driver. I can say that I did take a nice eight point whitetail this year with it but at only thirty yards so accuracy was not an issue. Thanks again....Dave
 
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Dantforth:

Well my friend, that tells me a lot of things.

I would suggest That you try buffalo Ballets, they are a cross of a short conical and round ball. It is my understanding that they are lethal on deer, and shoot well in your type of twist.

If you are going to cast, use pure lead if you can find it, and for now, stay away from wheel weights. While wheel weights cast very nicely, they are simply to hard to obdurate properly.

Further, I would be inclined to start with conicals that are about 1 caliber long, and work up slowly in length (and as a result weight) from there. Further I like Hollow base, or skirted bullets. As a result, I like the modern mine' design from Lee, and would suggest you try the lightest weight in that design first if your stuck on casting. I find that Lee molds are affordable, and the aluminum heats up quickly. While a lot of people look down on Lee, I have had good success with their molds if cared for properly

Finally, reduce your charge and try shooting some patched round balls for practice. The 1 in 48 is also know as the “compromise twist” and will allow the use of short conicals as well as round balls. Unfortunately Im not really sure if it does either one really well.

The up side of shooting patched round ball with a material like mattress ticking is that it is like mildly lapping the bore when you shoot, and using it on gophers will allow you to get used to the trigger.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Either here, or by PM.

Regards and all the best

R
 
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Ah yes, Good Ol' Chuck Hawks:)
I don't know how many times I've refered to his and Randy Wakemans reviews on the black powder topic,As a matter of fact, they'll answer your questions directly via e-mail:D
Give 'em a try;)
And like what Richard Wagner stated,there are plenty of well suitable lead conicals out there to try,T/C Maxi-Hunter, T/C Maxi-Ball, Lee-Minie's and Hornady Great Plains Bullets. What may work in one gun does'nt always work in another,Hakx and I have figured that one out;)
He tried the Hornady 250gr SST in his which work like a HOT damn in mine but sucked sh*t in his and I tried his PRbullet Extreme Elite .40 cal 240gr in mine and could'nt get a decent group that I liked.
Try try & try again,
Good luck:)
http://www.prbullet.com/index.htm
 
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