I have read multiple posts about the cz 550 American having a wierd drop and not lining up to give a great cheek weld; as well as the bolt swinging too far upwards and interfering with scope placement. On a "truth about guns" review he stated that the weatherby cheekpiece (monte carlo style??) was still too low to properly line up the eyes with the scope. The model 70 I havent heard anything bad about. I wonder if folks could chime in that own these since Im about to "pull the trigger" down at the local wholesale sports on one of these pretty soon and it has come down to this 1 detail between the 3 rifles.
cz 550, vanguard s 2, Model 70- Which takes a scope better?
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Well you're best to just go down, and pick them all up, get a feel for them, and shoulder them all. Again, I vote FW.
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A Weatherby with too low a comb!!?? Thats a new one. But if the rifle has a stock that is designed for use with iron sights, chances are it will not provide as good a cheek weld if you mount a scope on that rifle. Conversely, the McMillan Stock on my Brno 602 would knock my teeth loose when I shot the rifle with irons because I had to have my cheek mashed down so hard on the comb to see through the ghost ring.
Not all scopes, mounts, or rifles can be used interchangeably. If your scope has a large objective lens, it must be mounted higher to clear the barrel than a straight tube scope. If your rifle has a heavy barrel contour, the scope will have to be mounted higher to clear it. The higher that the scope is mounted on your rifle, the higher the comb needs to be if you are to acquire a good cheek weld. If the ocular bell of the scope lines up with the bolt handle, it is more likely to cause clearance issues than if the tube does. Some variable power scopes have very long eye pieces making them more difficult to adjust for eye relief, particularly if the long eye piece is fitted to a scope with a short tube length.
Determine first which rifle you want. Next determine which scope is the most practical for your application. Now determine which mount provides the strongest mounting solution for that scope on that rifle. It should position the scope so that you can acquire a good repeatable cheek weld without having to go on a quest to find a full sight picture. If the scope is a variable, at the low power setting there should be enough eye relief that you won't get hit with the scope. At high power you shouldn't have to crawl the stock to attain a full sight picture. If you have a full sight picture the instant your cheek hits the comb, and if you can cycle the action while the rifle is at your shoulder, you've got it right.
Not all scopes, mounts, or rifles can be used interchangeably. If your scope has a large objective lens, it must be mounted higher to clear the barrel than a straight tube scope. If your rifle has a heavy barrel contour, the scope will have to be mounted higher to clear it. The higher that the scope is mounted on your rifle, the higher the comb needs to be if you are to acquire a good cheek weld. If the ocular bell of the scope lines up with the bolt handle, it is more likely to cause clearance issues than if the tube does. Some variable power scopes have very long eye pieces making them more difficult to adjust for eye relief, particularly if the long eye piece is fitted to a scope with a short tube length.
Determine first which rifle you want. Next determine which scope is the most practical for your application. Now determine which mount provides the strongest mounting solution for that scope on that rifle. It should position the scope so that you can acquire a good repeatable cheek weld without having to go on a quest to find a full sight picture. If the scope is a variable, at the low power setting there should be enough eye relief that you won't get hit with the scope. At high power you shouldn't have to crawl the stock to attain a full sight picture. If you have a full sight picture the instant your cheek hits the comb, and if you can cycle the action while the rifle is at your shoulder, you've got it right.
I can only comment on the M-70 as I presently have 2 of them and have hunted with them since the early 70's. With the scope properly mounted as "Boomer" has stated you will have no issues with a scope on a M-70.
Pay close attention to what "Boomer" is saying in his post as he has covered all the key points in scope vs, rifle vs, shooter compatability.
Pay close attention to what "Boomer" is saying in his post as he has covered all the key points in scope vs, rifle vs, shooter compatability.
The only other general comment is that if you are concerned about the bolt being lifted too high (ie a Mauser type of lift) then stick with the 60 degree lift style bolts (Weatherby V, Steyrs etc).
The shorter arc allows more freedom of placement of scopes, rather than grinding away parts of bolt handles.
My Mk V Weather by on a Brown stock allows a very low placement and cheekweld with a 6.5x20x40 scope. I cant do that on my CZ550 with Bavarian stock. The scope must sit slightly higher to allow the ocular lens to clear the bolt handle.
My MSs andf Steyr all allow a better fit of scopes, generally closer to the bore.
But again, if you want to uise iron sights as well, it is trial and error to see what fits. Many, many rifles will not allow you to get your head low enough to see the iron sights on that particular rifle. Usuually the comb is too high. If its wood - out comes the sander and I make them work or change the stock out.
If you want scope with iron backup, again trial and error to see what works for YOU. You may have a lean face, round face, big neck ....etc. It will be a compromise for sure. The shotgunners know a thing or two about fitting stocks. Follow their advice for fitments.
The shorter arc allows more freedom of placement of scopes, rather than grinding away parts of bolt handles.
My Mk V Weather by on a Brown stock allows a very low placement and cheekweld with a 6.5x20x40 scope. I cant do that on my CZ550 with Bavarian stock. The scope must sit slightly higher to allow the ocular lens to clear the bolt handle.
My MSs andf Steyr all allow a better fit of scopes, generally closer to the bore.
But again, if you want to uise iron sights as well, it is trial and error to see what fits. Many, many rifles will not allow you to get your head low enough to see the iron sights on that particular rifle. Usuually the comb is too high. If its wood - out comes the sander and I make them work or change the stock out.
If you want scope with iron backup, again trial and error to see what works for YOU. You may have a lean face, round face, big neck ....etc. It will be a compromise for sure. The shotgunners know a thing or two about fitting stocks. Follow their advice for fitments.
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Which rifle.
For my I like the model 70. Trigger should be very nice out of the box, but can be adjusted by someone competent if required. The standard sporter is fine, but why not step up to Featherweight or Super-Grade. Many choices. I own several 70's with my latest being a .270WSM Super-Grade which I'm very impressed with.
CZ are nice rifles also, but shoulder it and see how it fits you. Also work the bolt, trigger and safety.
Geoff
For my I like the model 70. Trigger should be very nice out of the box, but can be adjusted by someone competent if required. The standard sporter is fine, but why not step up to Featherweight or Super-Grade. Many choices. I own several 70's with my latest being a .270WSM Super-Grade which I'm very impressed with.
CZ are nice rifles also, but shoulder it and see how it fits you. Also work the bolt, trigger and safety.
Geoff
Cheek weld has quite a bit to do with individual physiology, for example if one has a longer than usual face and neck then a higher than normal scope mount would be comfortable. My shooting partner has such a body type and he struggles to get low enough to see through my scopes while I have to lift my head uncomfortably high to see through his.
bought a nikon prostaff for my 527 lux and the only med rings I could find, the bolt got stuck on the lense. Replaced it ith a leupold vx-1 and it clears by about 2mm's (cant even put a lense cap). Also had to knock out the rear site.
That aside the cheek weld on my 527 is a dream, i have a fs 550 in 308 on order for about 5 months now, cant wait until its here.
That aside the cheek weld on my 527 is a dream, i have a fs 550 in 308 on order for about 5 months now, cant wait until its here.
I have a couple of Vanguards, and have no issues with scope mounting whatsoever.
Using Leupold 6x42 or VX II 3x9, all works well with Leupold bases and rings.
Good cheekweld and great alignment with the ocular lens.
No bolt handle interference, either!
Regards, Eagleye.
Using Leupold 6x42 or VX II 3x9, all works well with Leupold bases and rings.
Good cheekweld and great alignment with the ocular lens.
No bolt handle interference, either!
Regards, Eagleye.
I'm thinking about putting low scope rings on my CZ 550 LUX with a Nikon Monarch 2-8x32. Do you think this will work or will the bolt hit the scope? I haven't even fired the rifle yet so if I find it accurate enough with iron sights i'll just say #### it and not use a scope.
This is true. I just got my CZ 550 and everything was very stiff when I first got it. I've been working the bolt and safety and its slowly getting a lot smoother.
Are you sure the posts you are reading are not mixing up the American with the LUX. The American has the tipical American style stright stock well the LUX stock curves so your eyes line up with the iron sights better.
going for the 70 featherweight, thanks boomer and others thats gonna help me figure out scoping this thing.
So is there an advantage to the raised comb of the weatherby with cheek weld for scope- or is it just personal preference? Id assume the winchester is designed for scope use as well seeing as it doesnt come with irons
So is there an advantage to the raised comb of the weatherby with cheek weld for scope- or is it just personal preference? Id assume the winchester is designed for scope use as well seeing as it doesnt come with irons
low scope ring would be a tight fit if it did fit at all
I just went over to a friends and test fitted his stock CZ rings with a Bushnell 3-9x32 rimfire scope. The bolt clears it by a half inch and I still get a nice cheek weld. I'll do the same set up but with a Nikon Monarch 2-8x32. No way am I putting a really cheap scope on a $1000 rifle.
