CZ 600 AL1 Alpha - Initial Impressions

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Hi, maybe it was a super cold weather this afternoon but I took my brand new (purchased yesterday) CZ 600 AL1 (Alpha) to the club today, paired it with a Viper PST scope and used Norinco red box (headstamp 311 19, 311 20 and 311 23) rounds.

The only magazine I had was the factory OEM 600 series plastic/polymer 5-rounder.

THE GOOD

1. (and this is very good) - this rifle is dead nuts accurate. I would even say it could be tack driver level. With Norinco rounds no doubt - I imagine with good match rounds (if they even exist for 7.62x39) it would be very good.

2. Feel of the rifle - I quite enjoyed shouldering this thing. It was lightweight and I really enjoyed the grippiness of the material.

3. Came with built in picatinny rails. Saves me some $$$ on rails

4. Magazine was easy to load and unload

5. The safety - not very common on the rifles I own, but I like the vertical up/down safety

THE BAD

1. (and this was very bad and this was the only negative) - the above point 1 had to be qualified - it was accurate when I was able to get the gun to feed. There were so many problems initially (and subsequently) in working that bolt. Every round seemed to jam being fed (upward angled direction). It was very, very cold outside so I didn't know that if that had anything to do with it. BUT...I noticed after a while in taking the bolt out that everything was bone dry inside. I didn't lube it beforehand, but would that have caused such feeding issues? Was it the ammo? I don't know, that's all I had. Was it the magazine - I don't know, that's all I had. I did find some Hoppes 9 in the club shed and applied some of that to the bolt and to the areas where the bolt travelled. It was slightly better though it seemed like the only way to really prevent feed issues was to violently work the bolt quickly. I never had to do this on my other CZs or my Tikkas, where I can work the bolt slow as a turtle.

I may take the thing apart and give it a generous greasing of G96 before I go next time. I am VERY HAPPY with the performance of the rifle, and it was a very worthwhile buy. Now I got some options to shoot this round aside from my SKSes.

I may check around to see if there are other magazines available aside from the OEM 5 rounder...and will also try different ammo next time (Barnaul).
 
I usually cover the bolt with a thing layer of gun grease and it is quick and smooth to cycle and feeds no problem. I have both factory and aftermarket 12-rd magazines, no issues feeding from either.
 
I usually cover the bolt with a thing layer of gun grease and it is quick and smooth to cycle and feeds no problem. I have both factory and aftermarket 12-rd magazines, no issues feeding from either.
Yeah, that's my bad for not doing that, since I spent the evening last night when I got home mounting the scope on this one as well as disassembly my other gun that I was taking to the club today. That said, I have neglected to do that with the occasional other bolt guns initially and they never had feeding issues (though the other ones were .223, .22LR, .308 and 30.06).

I wonder whether the freezing cold temperatures had an effect on the feeding at all. This is the first time in many years I had to take a break from shooting to warm up in the clubhouse multiple times in the winter.

EDIT - oh, I forgot an additional PRO - the trigger is EXCELLENT.
 
I usually cover the bolt with a thing layer of gun grease and it is quick and smooth to cycle and feeds no problem. I have both factory and aftermarket 12-rd magazines, no issues feeding from either.
How do you like the 12 round mags? I bought 5 of them around Christmas time but haven't been able to try them yet.

It seems as though these are sort of slept on. They really make the rifle into a modern type of "Scout" rifle quite easily. The only downside I've seen from them, is that the follower is not anti-tilt. But time will tell if that proves to be an issue.
 
Slept on.... more like missed it completely!

Delta Dynamics, never heard of them..... :)
 
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I have a CZ 600 A2 in 7.62x39. I have not had an issue with loading, but mine does not like hard primers. With my handloads, I get 3 holes touching at 100m with a cheap Bushnell Banner scope on it. What brand is the aftermarket 12 round mags? Can you PM me a link to them? Thanks in advance.
 
How do you like the 12 round mags? I bought 5 of them around Christmas time but haven't been able to try them yet.

It seems as though these are sort of slept on. They really make the rifle into a modern type of "Scout" rifle quite easily. The only downside I've seen from them, is that the follower is not anti-tilt. But time will tell if that proves to be an issue.
I haven't had a single issue with them, they work reliably and feed well. I have three of those.
 
Gazelle...nice report. Looking forward to your next range day.
What is the maximum distance you are contemplating to do with this?
 
Gazelle...nice report. Looking forward to your next range day.
What is the maximum distance you are contemplating to do with this?
Hello there... my club has 100m as the top distance so for now, that will be where I go. I rang the 8" or so gong with this thing at 100 with 16 out of 20 times, which for me is pretty amazing (I know many of you can do 20 out of 20 at an even longer distance, but my shooting skills are sub-par to begin with)...even more so with that ho hum Norinco ammo.

I have some S&B that I may use - now that I am reloading, I can probably get a die set for that and start experimenting on different loads with the CZ. With my SKS, there was no consistent accuracy at long distance so using Norinco and Barnual just to send some rounds into a paper target at 25 was more fun than anything else.

Honestly I wasn't expecting much out of the 600 AL1, but I am pleasantly surprised. I am going back next week with different ammo. Though someone mentioned a 12 round mag for this - I gotta see if I can grab this before I go next time...
 
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I took this back to the club today...used Barnaul ammo. Just like last week, it was superb, a phenomenal, accurate rifle. With lubed bolt, it was able to feed everything...and I was able to have many "clovered" shots. Very happy with it, and it will be a mainstay for my range kit.

Now, a bit of a con...out of curiosity, I was wondering what that bolt lock/unlocking tool did...so I unlocked the bolt and was able to get to the firing pin/spring. However, reassembling it was horrific. Only one video I have seen online and it doesn't quite show the orientation that well I found out I can actually depress the spring, lock it and it looks ok except when I install it, the cocking indicator won't clear the channel and gets all jammed up. It does seem like there is only one way to compress and turn / lock it. But when I do that it doesn't install properly. The only way I was able to get it to work was trial and error but continuing to turn the unlocked status the opposite way, moving that cocking indicator's orientation. Looks like I have to get the cocking indicator to about the 3-4 o'clock orientation (after spring compressed and turned to "lock"). I am not sure I am supposed to keep turn it more than one click after locking it but I did and eventually it lined up right. The online video shows one turn and I did that and seemingly it looked right, but then I couldn't install it.

After I got it figured out and the cocking indicator was at 6 o'clock and the bolt was able to be installed, I did a function test and dry fired and the cocking indicator came on and off with me dry firing.. So it looks ok. Honestly I don't know why they designed it with a tool. They could have noted the place on the bolt where the tool meets the bolt (like matching arrows). I am just glad I (hopefully) figured it out. I doubt I will ever have a reason for using that bolt unlocking tool again.

Rifle is superb otherwise.
 
You may only need that tool to disassembly the bolt if you are going to shoot corrosive. Luckily, the bolt head comes off easily and can be rinsed with hot water for cleaning.
 
I took my 7.62x39 Alpha to our club’s International Women’s Day event at our range today. The ladies that tried it loved it. Mild recoil and easy for them to handle. Got another couple of people interested in the shooting sports.
 
I took my 7.62x39 Alpha to our club’s International Women’s Day event at our range today. The ladies that tried it loved it. Mild recoil and easy for them to handle. Got another couple of people interested in the shooting sports.
This is honestly one of the best guns I have ever bought, insofar as being accurate out of the box. Funny thing was, it wasn't even planned I went in to pick up the Trail and ended up with the Alpha and it was s very pleasant surprise. Heck, I may buy another one in .223, since if it makes my Norinco ammo shoot like Lapuas and it makes me shoot like Annie Oakley. LOL

I have never had as much fun shooting 7.62x39...out of SKSes it was ok but got boring fast (and the SKSes were hardly known for their accuracy).
 
Mine's in 6.5 Creedmoor. Feeding problems were real but 100% ammo-specific. I don't reload. I tried 6 different factory loads. I started with the light loads (~120gr); they wouldn't feed reliably or group worth a damn. I was really worried, to say the least...

Then I tried Federal 143gr ELD-X. It shot 0.5" groups all day long. Zero feeding issues.

Then I tried Federal Fusion 140gr soft tip. 0.3" groups all day, every day... Again, no feeding issues.

This thing is an absolute tack driver, and the stock isn't even bedded and has no metal inserts. I've done a lot of work to the stock; added 1.5lbs of Rockite all around to stiffen it, added a pic rail upfront for a bipod, Dremelled the front of the stock to give the barrel a permanent free-float. It's 11lb as pictured w/o ammo; more of a range toy rn.

Increased trigger-pull weight, added a Sako brake & mounted a Zeiss Conquest V4 4-16x44 in Burris Signature Z-rings with a single 10 degree offset insert; I ended up with 78 MOA of upward adjustment in the scope. Using 143gr ELD-X, I can dial the crosshairs to over 1600 yards without using reticle holdovers (that might be a little overkill!!)
 

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Mine's in 6.5 Creedmoor. Feeding problems were real but 100% ammo-specific. I don't reload. I tried 6 different factory loads. I started with the light loads (~120gr); they wouldn't feed reliably or group worth a damn. I was really worried, to say the least...

Then I tried Federal 143gr ELD-X. It shot 0.5" groups all day long. Zero feeding issues.

Then I tried Federal Fusion 140gr soft tip. 0.3" groups all day, every day... Again, no feeding issues.

This thing is an absolute tack driver, and the stock isn't even bedded and has no metal inserts. I've done a lot of work to the stock; added 1.5lbs of Rockite all around to stiffen it, added a pic rail upfront for a bipod, Dremelled the front of the stock to give the barrel a permanent free-float. It's 11lb as pictured w/o ammo; more of a range toy rn.

Increased trigger-pull weight, added a Sako brake & mounted a Zeiss Conquest V4 4-16x44 in Burris Signature Z-rings with a single 10 degree offset insert; I ended up with 78 MOA of upward adjustment in the scope. Using 143gr ELD-X, I can dial the crosshairs to over 1600 yards without using reticle holdovers (that might be a little overkill!!)
That is a sick rig...if you ever decide to sell it, PM me.

In the meantime, I am happy with the stock config and crummy Norinco / Barnaul ammo. Imagine that!

I am glad CZ/Colt backed off of participating in the confiscation scheme. I wouldn't have considered this otherwise...
 
Mine's in 6.5 Creedmoor. Feeding problems were real but 100% ammo-specific. I don't reload. I tried 6 different factory loads. I started with the light loads (~120gr); they wouldn't feed reliably or group worth a damn. I was really worried, to say the least..
ammo specific instead of mag related, good to hear
Any idea if the problems were due to OAL of the different ammo?
 
I took this back to the club today...used Barnaul ammo. Just like last week, it was superb, a phenomenal, accurate rifle. With lubed bolt, it was able to feed everything...and I was able to have many "clovered" shots. Very happy with it, and it will be a mainstay for my range kit.

Now, a bit of a con...out of curiosity, I was wondering what that bolt lock/unlocking tool did...so I unlocked the bolt and was able to get to the firing pin/spring. However, reassembling it was horrific. Only one video I have seen online and it doesn't quite show the orientation that well I found out I can actually depress the spring, lock it and it looks ok except when I install it, the cocking indicator won't clear the channel and gets all jammed up. It does seem like there is only one way to compress and turn / lock it. But when I do that it doesn't install properly. The only way I was able to get it to work was trial and error but continuing to turn the unlocked status the opposite way, moving that cocking indicator's orientation. Looks like I have to get the cocking indicator to about the 3-4 o'clock orientation (after spring compressed and turned to "lock"). I am not sure I am supposed to keep turn it more than one click after locking it but I did and eventually it lined up right. The online video shows one turn and I did that and seemingly it looked right, but then I couldn't install it.

After I got it figured out and the cocking indicator was at 6 o'clock and the bolt was able to be installed, I did a function test and dry fired and the cocking indicator came on and off with me dry firing.. So it looks ok. Honestly I don't know why they designed it with a tool. They could have noted the place on the bolt where the tool meets the bolt (like matching arrows). I am just glad I (hopefully) figured it out. I doubt I will ever have a reason for using that bolt unlocking tool again.

Rifle is superb otherwise.
Did it shoot norinco red box fine with bolt oiled
 
Now, a bit of a con...out of curiosity, I was wondering what that bolt lock/unlocking tool did...so I unlocked the bolt and was able to get to the firing pin/spring. However, reassembling it was horrific.
did the instructions in the owners manual not help? Haven't tried a tear-down yet here

edit-I see that is for partial tear-down only now after looking closer
 
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