CZ Help, One .22 is Enough Right?

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So out of nostalgia and family I kept my Dad's Gevarm, but in a quest for better accuracy I bought a 455 Lux last year. It is the second rifle up in the pic, and I'm pretty damn ecstatic on the accuracy factor....

Never been one to leave anything as "good enough" I started eyeballing their Thumbhole Grey fluted barrel setup. My brain is saying that there won't be enough of a difference to make it worth it, but I don't think I can resist the experiment......

As a long time big game guy, I never knew these damn rimfires could be so addicting, even considering a Mark III Hunter for the pistol stable. ;)

D.K.

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I would buy the pistol first. Reasons being that you dont already have a 22lr pistol, plus would give you more time to think about the potential new 22 long rifle.
If you're only reason for wanting the newer rifle is trying for better accuracy, you may not notice much difference. Maybe look at getting it in 17hmr to fill a different role at the same time ;)
 
Ok guys stop it, I just drooled all over my keyboard. Dak47, that is one beautiful collection, I am envious to say the least.
 
Could someone give actual substantive information about the accuracy of these things?

What sort of groups and what distance? How easily achieved? Are they picky with ammo? How about the bluing - is it rich and deep or more of a featureless dark colour? Are there any significant differences in in term so of these questions re: each different model? Is there one that stands above the rest?
 
Not to be. Figured I could stop at three, now have five. Always said I'm going to shoot the ones I have instead of buying more. Yeah right, just one more won't hurt. Accuracy is hard to define, depends on ability too. A couple of targets shot at 20 yrds indoors with my 452 Ultra with Win Dyna-point. Love the gopher eye size target, one shot, per. Even close will clean the cranial cavity of a gopher. Groups give a silly grin. The results from the 452 FS, 452 Lux, 455 FS, and Evo Scout are the same.

 
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skimmer said:
Could someone give actual substantive information about the accuracy of these things?

What sort of groups and what distance? How easily achieved? Are they picky with ammo? How about the bluing - is it rich and deep or more of a featureless dark colour? Are there any significant differences in in term so of these questions re: each different model? Is there one that stands above the rest?
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i dont have too much experience with the cz's. my friend has a couple and i have put a few hundred rounds through it. i will be comparing it to 10/22's i have shot as well as own. everything is with at least 150 rounds of personal experience.

the short story is that with proper ammo testing and feeding it the best you will find a cz will outshoot even the most hardcore of the ultimate 10/22's out of the box (with maybe a bit of trigger work). because its a bolt action they can shoot anything. never had an issue. 10/22's with match chambers are a LOT more picky than a CZ ever will be. they are also much less picky with ammo compared to a 10/22 when you are looking at accuracy. going from the cheapest to best ammo (for the gun) in a 10/22 will net you an improvement of often times 2"+. with a CZ you are looking at perhaps a 1" improvement. the starting point for accuracy will almost always be better on a bolt.

comparing the CZ to a savage is tougher. i would give the edge to the CZ on accuracy. overall just better quality and more consistant. out of the box i do like the savage trigger more but with a little work you can get the CZ to be better. comparing quality of the CZ to a savage hands down it goes to the CZ. i dont care which model savage you put down in front of me the fit and finish of the CZ is perfection.

i would not hesitate to say that the CZ is heirloom quality when strictly looking at the physical characteristics. i would take them above almost anything else even if price isnt a factor. if you look at custom guns you can beat it but you are spending so much more it isnt even funny. from an accuracy standpoint you wont get better until you go into competition guns.
 
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i dont have too much experience with the cz's. my friend has a couple and i have put a few hundred rounds through it. i will be comparing it to 10/22's i have shot as well as own. everything is with at least 150 rounds of personal experience.

the short story is that with proper ammo testing and feeding it the best you will find a cz will outshoot even the most hardcore of the ultimate 10/22's out of the box (with maybe a bit of trigger work). because its a bolt action they can shoot anything. never had an issue. 10/22's with match chambers are a LOT more picky than a CZ ever will be. they are also much less picky with ammo compared to a 10/22 when you are looking at accuracy. going from the cheapest to best ammo (for the gun) in a 10/22 will net you an improvement of often times 2"+. with a CZ you are looking at perhaps a 1" improvement. the starting point for accuracy will almost always be better on a bolt.

comparing the CZ to a savage is tougher. i would give the edge to the CZ on accuracy. overall just better quality and more consistant. out of the box i do like the savage trigger more but with a little work you can get the CZ to be better. comparing quality of the CZ to a savage hands down it goes to the CZ. i dont care which model savage you put down in front of me the fit and finish of the CZ is perfection.

i would not hesitate to say that the CZ is heirloom quality when strictly looking at the physical characteristics. i would take them above almost anything else even if price isnt a factor. if you look at custom guns you can beat it but you are spending so much more it isnt even funny. from an accuracy standpoint you wont get better until you go into competition guns.
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As for the trigger, the savage trigger has nothing on the CZ 453 trigger.... I'd say the trigger on the 453 is one of the nicest on a production rifle anywhere....
 
I'm still waiting for CZ to come out with a 20"bbl 455 Lux with a set of OEM tangent sights….it will me my first and only CZ
 
skimmer said:
Could someone give actual substantive information about the accuracy of these things?

What sort of groups and what distance? How easily achieved? Are they picky with ammo? How about the bluing - is it rich and deep or more of a featureless dark colour? Are there any significant differences in in term so of these questions re: each different model? Is there one that stands above the rest?
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I have four of them but I firmly believe that five or more is the correct number of CZs to be had. So I am looking for a nib 452 American in walnut and a 452FS in WMR. Life is too short….

Three of my CZs shoot sub MOA (452 Silhouette, 452 Scout, 452 FS). My 512WMR averages slightly over 1 MOA. It is hard to substantiate CZ rimfire accuracy claims to non-believers….but just like my friend Metalbender, I will give it a try:
The weather finally improved yesterday so I was able to take my 452 first time out after I bedded it in a new Boyd's stock (picture can be seen under the CZ picture sticky).The barrel wasn't primed and I had to tighten up the front barrel screw to 20 in/lb before I started getting 0.2 and 0.3 groups. The best 3 groups I got were 0.160, 0.200 and 0.220 in... Distance 50 yd, shooting of Caldwell bags, ammo (SK Std+) was kept warm because the outside temp was about -5c. Winds were variable at 10 km/h. The target has a 1 in pattern, the red circles are 1/2 in. All are 5 shot groups (except for the first group that was for "sight in"). I am really excited how this project worked out:
 
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