CZ Shadow Trigger Pull Question

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I'm thinking of buying one for IPSC Production. I've read guys had 5lbs DA triggers on these guns and 2.5lbs SA. How can I get this?
I can change the hammer spring to 13# and an 11# recoil spring. I've done this type of mod on my other pistols. Are the springs already done to it factory though? I also plan to snap cap the crap out of it. Anything else?
 
I changed the springs on my Shadow. Bought them from CeeZeer and followed the directions on a youtube video. The difference is really nice, I wouldn't change a thing after those springs were swapped.
 
I changed the springs on my Shadow. Bought them from CeeZeer and followed the directions on a youtube video. The difference is really nice, I wouldn't change a thing after those springs were swapped.

I would also want to improve the trigger on my CZ 85 Combat by just replacing springs. Any idea if this is a generic approach to CZ pistols?
 
I would also want to improve the trigger on my CZ 85 Combat by just replacing springs. Any idea if this is a generic approach to CZ pistols?

If you wanna make the trigger softer then you need to change the spring. You can buy them from member "CeeZer" Here for like, $10 or something. Instalation is easy.

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To get the barely over 5 lb DA and soft and crisp SA break you need to do more than just replace the springs. There's a couple of web sights out there with complete guides to how to stone the rubbing surfaces and tune up the action. They are a google away if you search for "cz trigger job". But such work is not something to do if you're not up to the skills and understanding how important the angles and shelf dimensions are and how little it takes to ruin the works. It's certainly not a Dremel and polishing wheel extravaganza.

The mainspring going to 13 lbs is the big one. Also the trigger return spring is wound up more than it needs to be. WITH CARE you can field strip the gun, reach down and lift up and back on the return spring to deform it just a little and take off some of the return spring tension. Do this with care and take notes on how far you lift and bring it back and next time go about 2 mm more then release and try the trigger. Work it around in small increments like this until the return pressure at the trigger is about half what it was

If you go too far with this the trigger won't reliably reset back. In that case the trigger hinge pin needs to be knocked out to let all the trigger guts come out and you'll have to form the return spring back the other way a bit.

While you won't achieve as smooth and clean a trigger as with the full meal deal I'd say a good 50% of the results come from the main spring swap and easing the return spring a little.

50% doesn't sound like much you say? You'd have to actually shoot a fully tuned Shadow like I have to see and feel the HUGE difference that a full tune provides. It's almost scary. Most would feel the 50% difference from the springs only and be more than happy with the results.
 
Thanks for the advice. I decided to buy the gun and complete set up for IPSC today. I got the springs and plan to snap cap it but for any real work i'm gonna send it out to get done. What does a trigger job cost on a Shadow and who is good at it around Hamilton-Toronto?
Thanks
 
Not a clue. Hopefully someone from your area will chime in.

I did my own as I've got the tools and skill. Been doing metal working stuff for years. What I lack is the gunsmith specialty knowledge of what is right for each gun. The trigger job article supplied that for me. But I'm not a gunsmith so I'll only apply files and stones to my own guns.
 
I was tempted to do my own, but then I held the firearm in my hands and felt the trigger pull with the softer hammer spring and realized that pouring more money into this almost flawless handgun would be silly. It's already amazingly crisp and soft and the reset is short.
 
Yes, the springs do give you the lion's share of the improvement. Just don't try out a fully tuned one though or you'll be thinking that there's much more to be gained.

One thing I found was that the DA pull was still a little "gritty". I found that the bow has small V grooves along the edge that runs on a knife edged runner in the frame. The grooves were scalloped from some chatter or the speed in which they were cut. I stoned these out to smoothen the grooves and the difference to the DA pull was quite noticable. The trigger felt like it was running on ball bearings after that one change.
 
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