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the norinco bolt action rimfire rifles are modelled after the cz.
how different is the quality of the rifle, and is it worth saving the few hundred dollars compared to the real thing?
i am mostly comparing a 452cz vs a jw15a full length stock norinco
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I have both and even though they both shoot well the CZ is more worth it. The norinco doesn't have near the fit and finish or smoothness. CZs trigger is better. The CZ is also more accurate. And finally the CZ is a CZ.
 
I have not handled the CZ, but I really like my norinco backpacker. One thing, plan on replacing the rear sight, it sucks b@lls and moves around. I cleaned up the trigger on mine and it works great. I haven't had a real chance to figure out what ammo the gun likes yet but so far I am happy with it.
 
mg4201 said:
I have not handled the CZ, but I really like my norinco backpacker. One thing, plan on replacing the rear sight, it sucks b@lls and moves around. I cleaned up the trigger on mine and it works great. I haven't had a real chance to figure out what ammo the gun likes yet but so far I am happy with it.
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My backpacker likes win dynapoint and CCI SV
 
buy the norinco. stop trying to dry up all my 452 supply. i have a addiction but by the time i have the money to buy more they will all be gone.
 
Innercity said:
I have A JW-15a Compact/backpacker. I'm not afraid to scratch it, drop it in Mud, Snow water. It kills Ghopers all day long.
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Take me with you...I want to shoot gophers all day long. :) For now, I'll have to settle with a groundhog or two for every 5kms hiked.

Norincos vs CZ~night and day, apples and oranges~however you want to say it. CZs are real quality firearms, Norincos are cheap knock-offs with blotchy finishes, lots of tooling marks, burrs, poor sights, sloppy tolerances, etc. But I own one. :) I spent about an hour polishing the bolt, an hour cleaning it out when I first got it, but like Innercity says...it's the gun you don't mind seeing get rained-on, scratched, abused a little, etc. To me, there is no sense in owning a full-sized one...I'd say save for a CZ. (and I've had a 452 Varmint in .17HMR) If you want to test drive the Norinco and pay less than 1/2 what a CZ does, consider one of their backpackers. The accuracy is pretty impressive. Here is me, posing with mine..

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I should add, the 10rd. mag I got with mine was pure rubbish. Wouln't cycle more than 3 rounds reliably. I ordered 2 x 5rd. steel CZ452 mags from a CGN sponsor~they run perfectly in the gun.
 
THE Nor. shoot well, just remember, a great 22 will be kept for years, if not generations. I know a few bucks now is hard to come by. An accurate and beautiful gun will be a pleasure to shoot. JMHO. Aj
 
a j cave said:
THE Nor. shoot well, just remember, a great 22 will be kept for years, if not generations. I know a few bucks now is hard to come by. An accurate and beautiful gun will be a pleasure to shoot. JMHO. Aj
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Money is no issue, I was just curious if they were anywhere close.
The 452 is better than the 455 as I won't be changing out the barrel, and like the options on the 452, too bad they are being phased out.
The 513 is ok but like you said, it'll be around a long time, so go with the real one.

By the time you add rings and a scope for the cz you are looking at around 700-800 or so.
does the savage mark II compare at all to the cz bolt actions?
 
My first .22LR rifles in Canada were a Ruger 10/22 and CIL/Anschutz single shot. Unfortunately, I couldn't hit anything with them except the proverbial barn side. Sold both and got CZ 452 Varmint and Style, both bought in 2001.

Then followed a slew of bolties and semi-autos from the "other" brands like Savage, Marlin, Lakefield, Cooey, Winchester. Eventually all will be sold except for the CZs and the Winchester 69A (had two for a while). The 69A is a classic that can keep up with my CZs in the accuracy department, i.e. the 69a can do dime sized groups at 25 meters with Dynapoints and that's with its standard notch iron sights and my fading eyesight.

So my opinion is buy a CZ or two (or three) now. They will be cherished family heirlooms. Keep an eye out for and then grab an old Winchester 69A or 75 or if cash is no object, a 52, or any similar vintage Remington or European quality 22.
 
The "Ultimate" CZ in my opinion is either the 453 Varmint or the new 455.

I'm just not a fan of the barrel lug, I think that the two action bolts are a much more consistent attachment method.

The 455 is substantially easier to pillar bed and I like they way they have spaced the actio bolts.

-Grant
 
Grantmac said:
The "Ultimate" CZ in my opinion is either the 453 Varmint or the new 455.

I'm just not a fan of the barrel lug, I think that the two action bolts are a much more consistent attachment method.

The 455 is substantially easier to pillar bed and I like they way they have spaced the actio bolts.

-Grant
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my 452 american wmr is glass bedded. has two action screws. i love it
 
Recently I was in the position of purchasing a couple of .22 rifles for my young sons.
CZ was out of the question...at $450+ each plus scope and such it would have totaled at least $1200. They may be the light of my life...but they are 8 and 11 and that was just a bit too much ;-)
I looked at the Norinco.
Now maybe the one I looked at (new, at a reputable gunshop here in Edmonton) was a 'Friday afternoon' gun...but the finish/bluing was worse than some of our $100 chinese air rifles and the barrel to stock fit was terrible.
For $20 extra I picked up a couple of Marlin XT-22's.
Way better decision in my mind!
 
I have a JW15a and a JW25a Norinco. I have handled and fired the CZ 452 rimfire and will say this much, the action on the JW25a is far nicer, and far more difficult to scope. The accuracy of the CZ with CCI SV's is a bit better than the Norincos, but I haven't tried a full length JW15a, although I can't see why it would be more accurate than the backpacker.

If I had to choose between one gun which would be for hunting or hiking and general outdoors work, it would be the JW15 backpacker simply because the stock is synthetic, it's doesn't make sound, it's easy to take down and the gun is small and accurate. If I didn't go in the woods much and mostly wanted a range gun, it would be the CZ for sure.
 
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