Either buying the cz shadow 2 or the walther q5 match. Haven't handled either yet as I know cz is 1 pound heavier. Just looking to see what the community thinks about these two pistols. I've heard the shadow 2 is pretty popular. I'm not considering any other pistols, range gun. Competition someday
Cz vs Walther
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juancarlos
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Considerably different pistols. One is metal and hammer fired and the other is polymer and striker. Aftermarket support is better with the CZ and mags are cheaper but the Walther comes optics ready. One may fit your hand better or just feel better. Really, the only solution is to buy both.
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okcorral1881
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I have both, they are 2 good guns. It all depends of what kind of shooting/competition you see yourself doing in the future. I shoot my PPQs (Navy, Q5 and 22) more cause I prefer IDPA style shooting over IPSC.......also, if you plan on using/trying a red dot on a handgun then you should get the Q5 match.
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I own the shadow 2 and I owned a ppg m2 navy. Both phenomenal. I din;t think I'll ever sell my shadown 2, but I'd buy a ppq again in a heartbeat. Which do you prefer a Ferrari or a Lamborghini? Both very different both excellent.
Hold both. See what fits better.
Hold both. See what fits better.
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Having held both, the PPQ fits my hand better.
The Shadow 2 is quite the beast and the controls are a little spaced out for my hands. The grips are really aggressive as well.
PPQ all the controls are in reach without breaking my grip, texture is a little less rough, and it feels much lighter.
I'm sure the Shadow 2 shoots really great but the PPQ feels better in my hands personally
The Shadow 2 is quite the beast and the controls are a little spaced out for my hands. The grips are really aggressive as well.
PPQ all the controls are in reach without breaking my grip, texture is a little less rough, and it feels much lighter.
I'm sure the Shadow 2 shoots really great but the PPQ feels better in my hands personally
The CZ Shadow2 is almost 48 ounces empty. It is a heavy purpose built gun for IPSC Production. It is to heavy for IDPA and cannot play in that sport other than for "Not for Competition", which is a place IDPA puts you so yo can play the game but not be recognized. IMHO for most shooters CZ offers much better options for the average shooter. Depending on what you want the gun for the SP-01 Shadow, 85 Combat and 75 Series are worth looking at. All have the same trigger group (minor differences with the 75 Series), so you can get to the same place trigger wise for about the same money. The three variations I mention are about five ounces less than the Shadow2. CZ also offers a couple of polymer options all of which are favourably reported upon by those who own them. I would expect the CZ to have better support in Canada/US than the Walther but I could be wrong in that.
There are lots of pistol options open to the OP. None are really bad though some are more versatile than others. If I were he I would really reflect on what I want to to do with the pistol, once that is clearer go to an Indoor range facility, if available, and try as many guns as possible. Virtually all will be accurate as he can shoot, and all will be reliable. Check out holster, mag holder availability and ask about repair and parts availability. The latter can be really important. An expensive pistol with a broken extractor becomes an expensive boat anchor until you get a replacement part. All will be expensive to shoot regularly.
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Bob
There are lots of pistol options open to the OP. None are really bad though some are more versatile than others. If I were he I would really reflect on what I want to to do with the pistol, once that is clearer go to an Indoor range facility, if available, and try as many guns as possible. Virtually all will be accurate as he can shoot, and all will be reliable. Check out holster, mag holder availability and ask about repair and parts availability. The latter can be really important. An expensive pistol with a broken extractor becomes an expensive boat anchor until you get a replacement part. All will be expensive to shoot regularly.
Take Care
Bob
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Good taste. Those 2 are on my list as well. The q5 is amazing & would pick it over the regular ppq. I made the mistake though and held the shadow 2 after the q5 at a shop... The shadow 2 is better. I would like to have them both still
For what purpose and user? As brought up by Canuck 44, the Shadow 2 is a one trick pony. If you're certain IPSC production is where you're headed it will be an excellent choice. If you want to shoot IDPA, 3-Gun, PPC, or just informally shoot there are better, more versatile, more economical choices out there. If you're somebody who doesn't enjoy DA/SA triggers there are better choices. If you want to mount optics there are better choices.
OP, as a range toy either will serve well. Ask yourself, if you got the Walther and the guy next to you had the Shadow would you regret you choice? What about the other way? Also somewhat personal, but if you wear glasses or have aged eyes an optic is nice; once you use one you'll wonder why you didn't before.
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My question is, who actually looks at that Walther and says... That's a beautiful gun!...?? Anyone?
I think the q5 looks very solid & functional. I like the looks (personal preference; taste). The q5 would be good with optics, definitely. When i was looking at them both - the cz had a trigger i liked better. I also like the smaller fiber optic front sight & how it felt in my hand.
The Q5 looks like it was designed by a committee. On the premise even ugly girls get lucky sometimes, the gun certainly will get a following. I would be interested to know what support is out there for this pistol. Mags, mag holders, holsters and more importantly parts and service.
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Bob
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Bob
A good selling point for both of these pistols is that they come with 3 mags. 3 mags is the minimum for me. Cz has the more common & cheaper mag options if someone wanted more. What I'm saying is that when buying either of these guns i wouldn't have to go out that day to purchase that 3rd
Can you give me more information about IDPA and "not for competition" please? Why is the shadow a bad choice for IDPA? Weight?
The Shadow2 weighs to much and exceeds 43 oz limit and there is no way to get the weight down. It is a purpose built pistol for ISPC Production. The SP-01 Shadow and it's higher end iterations works well for IDPA.
Something to consider is the Glock 34 and M&P Pro rule IDPA SSP/ESP Divisions. The single pull light weight trigger and the light weight of the two guns plays into the sport better than the heavier DA/SA guns from my experience. This is not to say the SP-01 Shadow is a bad choice for IDPA. The guns are excellent shooters, reliable and accurate. For the most part it is the shooter that determines the score in any sport.
Frankly most shooters I see are served well with light polymer framed guns in IDPA. That said, they are equally served well by the DA/SA steel and alloy framed guns. I also have to say a large number of US based IDPA shooters shoot the same guns they carry. Given a choice most opt for and carry lighter guns over the heavier steel guns. This would account for the dominance of the two pistols mentioned. Both are relatively inexpensive and have less expensive siblings to start out on.
IDPA in 2015 introduced a "Not for Competition" concept which allowed guns that did not conform to any of the divisions to play as long as they were shot out of an IDPA approved holster. The 2017 RB does not identify the concept quite the same way bur does allow clubs to run "Specialty Divisions" see rule 8.2.10. There does not appear to be any holster constraints in the 2017 RB.
My advice to any shooter if you want to play the game then gear up so you can participate in any one of the six divisions set out in the RB. Personally, I would not buy the Shadow2, for example, if I did not intend to play IPSC Production. The gun is heavy and IMHO 99.9% of the shooters who own one will not shoot any better than they would with a standard Shadow costing $600 odd dollars less. Just saying. I am sure there will be someone who went form D Class, bought his Shadow2 and instantly went to A Class or better but they would be few I suspect. Buying handguns is not a rational exercise. I speak with some personal experience. I just bought two excellent Beretta 92A1's to play IDPA with. I shoot my M&P PRO better but my scores are about the same based upon my Classifier scores but I can't become another Earnest Langdon with an M&P PRO. :>)
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Bob
PS Over 80% of the participants at the US Nationals consistently shoot either a Glock 17/34 or a S&W M&P FS/PRO if memory serves me correctly. Virtually all the other makes are represented. You see fewer DA/SA guns but more recently.
PPS With the US Army ordering the SIG 320 I would not be surprised to see more and more SIG 320's playing the sport over time.
Ah thanks Bob. I'm glad I went with the Shadow 1 then when I bought it last month. It was a toss up between the Glock 35 which would have major scoring factor vs the Glock 34 in the minor scoring vs the Shadow 1. I figured if one wants to, you could trick out the Shadow 1 but would have to watch the division rules and from my understanding what you said, will likely only result in small improvement in scores anyway. But out of the box it sounds like it would play ok in both IPSC and IDPA.
You won't be disappointed with the Shadow. Neither the Glock 34 or 35 are legal for IPSC Production. Both could be shot in IPSC Standard Division. For IDPA the Glock 34 would be the gun to get if you had gone Glock. While 40cal plays in IDPA it really offers no advantage over the 9MM. There is no advantage in scoring.
Your Shadow can play in IPSC Production, IDPA SSP and ESP Divisions. You can use it cocked and locked in ESP Division. The other two must be played hammer down. Good luck shooting. Both sports can be loads of fun.
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Bob
