cz858 reviews or info?

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Where can I go about finding more detailed info on he non-restricted cz858? I've read a few reviews but I'm unclear how easy ammo is to get for these firearms. Surplus? Does that mean somethign once made, but not anymore? And the a gas piston, what is it/how does it work.

This thread can turn into a little discussion on the firearm or it would help if you could point me in the direction of more info on it.

Seems to be a good firearm for the price and non-restricted is cool. I'd probably be most worried about ammo price and availability (short/long term)
 
I bought a CZ858 from lever arms and I love it.

The gas piston is a very good design. Instead of a design like the AR-15 where the gas is blown from the gas tube into the action, thus covering the bolt and moving parts inside the action with carbon and other crud, the gas travels a short distance from the gas block and drives the piston into the bolt, cycling it. It keeps the action very clean and free of debris. I would love to convert my AR-15 to piston actuated.

As for ammunition, most gun stores will carry either factory or old surplus. For a crate of 1120 rds surplus, $250 including tax or $200 before taxes.

I would highly recommend the CZ858.
 
I had a 858 and it's for runner the 52/57 both excepional rifle's. function flawlessly would recommend them to anyone.sadly I had to sell mine to fund an new purchase. the best thing about these guns is they hold there value. If you buy one and don't like it, you will most likely not loose any money selling it.
 
Seems to be tonnes of talk about rusting in that section.

I'm also still lost on what a gas piston is, how it works, what it does, etc.
 
ShaneN. said:
Seems to be tonnes of talk about rusting in that section.

I'm also still lost on what a gas piston is, how it works, what it does, etc.
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Well, its a locking bolt design. The gas goes down the barrel, and there is a little tube for it to go up, and back, and it places pressure on a piston, connected to a rod, which pushes on the bolts carrier, unlocking it allowing it to cycle.

Heres a video of how the AK-47 works, which shows a gas piston design:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQe864rGLyk
 
You can't walk too far without tripping over cases of the ammo that have been strewn about like cigarette butts. Check the bushes by your house, there are probably a couple of the guns in there. The only thing that outnumbers the guns and ammo are the number of posts about them, probably the reason the internet slows down once in a while.

Seriously though, it doesn't take much to keep them rust free; the guns and ammo are a good enough deal that it is worth the slight extra effort of pouring some hot water down the barrel after shooting (or whatever method you choose from the myriad of posts about it).

Also, I think it's cool that you used the word tonnes instead of tons.
 
jwc said:
Also, I think it's cool that you used the word tonnes instead of tons.
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hahahaha. i aim to please.

i AM pretty anal and i DO like to tinker on stuff so i guess the extra cleaning isn't a big deal. i guess the fact that i'm not too familiar with guns yet makes the extra tasks just seem a little discouraging.
 
Get one and see why we all love them. All metal tools rust if they are not cared for, and firearms are no different. I enjoy cleaning my guns, so one more step in the process doesn't bother me in the least. It may not be the best choice with the surplus ammo for lazy shooters, but it is a great gun IMHO!
 
Your going to have a difficult time finding bad things said about this simple, rugged, quality rifle. It is the coolest non-restricted gun under $1000 we can get in this country. I would highly recomend picking one up if you get the opportunity
 
ENIGMATIC1 said:
Well, its a locking bolt design. The gas goes down the barrel, and there is a little tube for it to go up, and back, and it places pressure on a piston, connected to a rod, which pushes on the bolts carrier, unlocking it allowing it to cycle.

Heres a video of how the AK-47 works, which shows a gas piston design:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQe864rGLyk
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excuse my ignorance, is there is actually a gas filled component(s) in the gun?
 
The gas is from the burning powder, so I guess there are gas filled components for a very short time... maybe I should say pressurized gas filled components for a short time, as they are filled with gas (air) the rest of the time.
 
Great gun for the price. you can plink, play action sports and even hunt deer with it. Its probably more accurate than the average SKS, but its not a precision rifle. I think you should be happy to get 5 shots inside 6 inches at 100 yards from your shoulder, with the iron sights and surplus ammo. Three inch, or better, groups from a rest should be possible.

(most)Surplus ammo is dirt cheap but corrosive, clean the barrel(even if its chromed), gas port and disassembled parts with hot water soon after you shoot and it will be fine, just remember to dry and oil it after. I usually only use hot water and rags, followed by a light oiling, if i know i will be shooting it again soon. If its going to be stored for a while or after a lot of shooting you might want to clean more carefully with some kind of solvent to remove the copper.

Factory ammo is not available from the U.S right now, in case we arm the taliban with it. Most US 7.62x39 uses a slightly smaller bullet (.308 vs .310) im not sure if this makes a difference in accuracy since i havent been able to get any.

Most larger gun stores will have euro 7.62x39 anyways, in soft point or FMJ which seems to be good quality, fairly cheap, non-corrosive and sometimes reloadable brass. (if you can find some bullets somewhere...)

Its a good deer gun where i hunt and the ranges are usually short. The open sights are foolproof in any weather and the gun is light, fairly short and very rugged.

again, look in the red rifles forum and you will find many of us who are ga-ga over our guns, also look in the SKS forums for more tips on cleaning!

happy sport/utility shooting!
 
Surplus ammo means it was manufactured for military purposes at some point, stockpiled by said military, then sold off years (maybe decades) later when they realize the ammo is "surplus" to their needs and a market exists for it. I bought a case of surplus M43 ammo for my 858 which was made in Czechzlovakia (sorry about spelling) in 1973. Its perfectly safe to shoot, and very affordable.
 
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