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I'm looking for some ideas to safely teach my children some marksmanship skills, similar to how I was taught by the Christian Service Brigade (at Camp Kakeka - does anyone remember that?) when I was a kid. In many ways, I don't even know what their logic was at the time in choosing firearms, but it seems that perhaps I learned on Cooey .22s. I would really value your collective wisdom in this regard, so that I can pass on this education to the next generation.

I think that my main requirements are:

1. Inexpensive. Not necessarily "cheap": If the long term resale value might compensate for short-term price, I'm happy to consider that.
2. Easy to understand the action. For example, old-fashioned things like manual cocking, bolt-action, or even hand-chambering of rounds aren't really a drawback for this scenario.
3. Accuracy. When the kids pay attention and use the correct techniques, I want them to be rewarded with an improved result. This doesn't necessarily mean that it needs to be the best accuracy in the universe - this isn't competition shooting. But I'd like to be able to explain that poor results are a result of their technique, not a result of the firearm itself.
4. Slow rate of fire; easy to implement Hand-over-hand control of the weapon. For this reason, I think some semi automatics may be out of consideration. In my situation the slower the reload process is, the better (within reason - of still being "fun" for the kids).
5. Despite the above, I am not against advanced features. If it's easy to open the chamber, hand-load single rounds, and essentially use the firearm as if it were a break-action, that would be fine for me. I would simply start the kids out for the first few many years by handing them individual cartridges, and never loading the magazine at all.
6. Good, adjustable (?) Iron Sights. Maybe with an option for Optics as they grow older.

Regards,
Mike
 
Im just getting my nephew into target shooting. When I bring him out we usually take out the Old CIL171 and the 10/22 with the scope. Good way to teach him how use the scope comfortably and how to use irons. And to count his dang shots! I'm bad for that on the .22's... I'm thinking one of my 9mm rifles next, heavier and a little more feel with sound.
 
I have a couple Cooeys. My kids don't like them because the bolt is so hard to close. Even my ol' mechanic hands get sore with them. I just keep them with fond memories of who gave them to me. The Brno (now CZ) is nice, but expensive. The Savage Rascal is very small. I think for a decent, not too pricey bolt gun, my friend's Anschutz .22 is pretty sweet.
 
1) Savage Rascal (because they are cheap and they are small - good for kids)
2) any old Cooey (model 39, model 82 dont know about a model 60 with the tube feed, id probably stick with the single shot bolt action)

i taught my 2 daughters on the same gun i learned to shoot on, Cooey Model 39.
my son ill probably start this summer and ill be using the same Cooey Model 39.
you cant beat the old Cooey single shots dependable Canadian made rifles.
 
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Look at some old units , this one a mossberg 46m the peep is awesome to learn also have a leaf (mines missing , anybody have one ) and a guy can put a scope on it too , good shooter too
Another one is a martini cadet single shot breach loader , lots of old cool 22s
 
Savage rascal, 1 .22 round, must cast, reload and fire every round, for each in the 10 square they get one extra .22 round... watch how fast the accuracy comes out.... lol o wait you said fun, alright a rascal and a brick of .22 I would start 100% with iron sights, it teaches things that can't be learned once a scope is introduced...

In a time that it's rare +1 to you sir and your good parenting!
 
I learned on an old shooting gallery style pump action Winchester in 22 short. In researching a little, nothing like it is made anymore. The Winchester 1885 in 22lr meets your needs except it almost $1500. Crazy but beautiful.
 
I got a good condition Schultz & Larson M70 off Tradex Canada (site sponsor), for like $350 shipped to my door. I highly recommend one of these rifles.
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Rascal was too small for my daughter so we started her on a Marlin XT-22 YR. 7-round mag and a single-shot adapter that you insert in place of the mag. She's on to the Savage Mark II FV and the Marlin 60 now, along with 22 pistols. Other than my Swiss 1929 service revolver, she has yet to brave a centrefire. She started at 6.

Son was always tall for his age. Started on a Savage Mark II and all of our other adult-sized rimfires. First centrefire was an H&R Handi-Rifle in 223. After about a year of that, he was able to handle pretty much anything we took to the range: 308 and 30-06 hunting rifles, K-31's, Swedish Mausers, and so on. He started at 9.
 
How young/small are the kids? If they're little ones, it could be a good argument for the Savage Rascal. My kids have outgrown the one in our family, but they won't let me sell it~they still enjoy shooting it. lol In fact, my wife even likes it, and it's nowhere NEAR a good fit for her either! Why?

New shooters (kids, ladies in my family) seem to have a confidence level with a rifle they feel they have a physical advantage over. Small/light/non-threatening~not exactly sure why. Anyhow, I suspect I'll be showing my grandkids how to shoot with it one day. If your kids are are small, I can't imagine it not being right up there near the top of the list.

I've never seen a CZ452 "Scout" in the flesh, but if the kids are a little bigger...perhaps you could track one of those down.
 
Definitely a bolt action single is a good starter /training rifle( has worked for thousands of new shooters) easy to learn safe to manipulate and control ( for both the shooter and trainer) you can start with short 22 ammo and work your way up as they progress ( subsonic 22 are great allso and are in the Realm of an air gun Noise level) going to start with my Nephew this spring I will be using a cooey 22 bolt action mag fed with open sights ( no Optics ), Pop cans about 30 feet out for starters on the mat with a bean bag rest and for the fun factor / final sure shot big bang , ok so maybe more for me ! but fun just the same !w:h:
 
I am training my kids using a CZ452 Scout. I was on the fence between the Rascal and the CZ. The Rascal is lighter than the CZ but early on, the kids shoot off a bipod or bags anyhow so the weight only becomes a factor when you start teaching them of hand shooting. The rifle is MOA accurate and that matters to my kids a lot. They get bored quickly shooting an inaccurate gun because they want to hit what they aim at.

The rifle comes with basic open sights but can be scoped like any other CZ rimfire. (I find that kids get more interested learning with a scope first and once they master that we transition to open sights). You also get a single shot adaptor but a 5 or 10 round magazines fit as well. It is not exactly an inexpensive purchase but it has a very good resale value. It also makes for a perfect compact hunting rifle so dad can use it as well!
Kody
 
The Savage Rascal is as small and light a rifle as you can buy off-the-shelf. There is a conventional manual safety; there are no extraneous odd-ball 'safeties'. It's aperture sight is easier (compared to a ramp sight) for a small child to comprehend. The Rascal's trigger is the right weight; it's not too heavy for a small child to operate. The Rascal's operating controls are just those on a larger rifle, and the child doesn't have to fight with a too-heavy bolt, so the child can focus on safe gun-handling (i.e.: the four rules of firearms safety). With a Rascal, there is nothing different that the child will have to re-learn at a later time. Once your child understands how to be safe with a Rascal, your child will know how to be safe with any commonly-seen bolt action rifle.
 
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